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Post by akumajobelmont on Feb 12, 2015 3:50:41 GMT -5
Or it could be the other way around - maybe people are super hyper-sensitive to input lag? To the point where they're convinced it's there when it isn't? No. It's easily observable and measurable if you wanted to. It's like saying "Maybe you've just convinced yourself the sky is blue when it's actually red". Let's ask the blind person to be sure. I'll take my own experience and draw from that. But cheers anyways.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2015 4:55:45 GMT -5
I've never noticed any input lag in SSF, either. So that's 3 to 1 on your pet theory there.
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Post by zellsf on Feb 12, 2015 5:27:48 GMT -5
I've never noticed any input lag in SSF, either. So that's 3 to 1 on your pet theory there. That statement means nothing without anything on your sensitivity to input lag. Certainly not without comparison to any of the alternatives OP might have: 1: PC 2: PSX on CRT 3: PSX on some other setup 4: PSX emulated So question is, is SSF less laggy than any of those? All of those? All of them have various amounts of input lag, this is undeniable. Also, superior numbers means nothing. Three blind people can claim the sky is red, they'd still be wrong. And there's no one who has made a solid argument against my theory that SSF has more lag than the alternatives at all. Only claims I've heard is that SSF has no input lag, this is just 100% false. Everything has input lag. No system displays responses to your input instantly.
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Post by akumajobelmont on Feb 12, 2015 6:04:38 GMT -5
I've never noticed any input lag in SSF, either. So that's 3 to 1 on your pet theory there. Also, superior numbers means nothing. Three blind people can claim the sky is red, they'd still be wrong. And there's no one who has made a solid argument against my theory that SSF has more lag than the alternatives at all. It's all about perception, maaaan. Either way, you haven't really provided much of an argument yourself, apart from 'I've heard.. wait... I *KNOW* IT'S THERE, I KNOW AND YOUR WRONG.' Of course there's going to be an inherent input lag with anything game related. Most games are designed with that in mind anyways. I just know that in my case, I've never noticed it in regards to the emulator, or in comparison to other emulators.
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Post by zellsf on Feb 12, 2015 6:13:45 GMT -5
I was advising OP, if you all somehow missed that.
"I don't notice it" does NOT mean OP won't.
As said already, it's like arguing the sky is blue to a blind person who believes you're wrong. There's input lag in comparison to the other alternatives and I know that by the simplest of methods: observation.
What's your counter to that? Claims that I'm lying? Why would I?
And repeated statements of not noticing / not caring makes no sense. If you don't, then don't argue the point?
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Post by akumajobelmont on Feb 12, 2015 6:20:31 GMT -5
I was advising OP, if you all somehow missed that. "I don't notice it" does NOT mean OP won't. As said already, it's like arguing the sky is blue to a blind person who believes you're wrong. There's input lag in comparison to the other alternatives and I know that by the simplest of methods: observation. What's your counter to that? Claims that I'm lying? Why would I? Personally, I don't think the OP cares - nowhere in the post does OP indicate that input lag is his primary concern. And to be quite honest, I don't care either. None of us have said that input lag does not exist, just that we haven't noticed it in regards to the emulator. I think we've derailed the thread enough.
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Post by zellsf on Feb 12, 2015 6:23:40 GMT -5
I was advising OP, if you all somehow missed that. "I don't notice it" does NOT mean OP won't. As said already, it's like arguing the sky is blue to a blind person who believes you're wrong. There's input lag in comparison to the other alternatives and I know that by the simplest of methods: observation. What's your counter to that? Claims that I'm lying? Why would I? Personally, I don't think the OP cares - nowhere in the post does OP indicate that input lag is his primary concern. I mentioned it in case he cares. Just like I suggested the alternative versions because they're better versions overall. In case he cares and doesn't know. Just trying to be helpful and telling people their options.
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Post by akumajobelmont on Feb 12, 2015 6:27:40 GMT -5
Personally, I don't think the OP cares - nowhere in the post does OP indicate that input lag is his primary concern. I mentioned it in case he cares. Just like I suggested the alternative versions because they're better versions overall. In case he cares and doesn't know. Just trying to be helpful and telling people their options. Fair enough, but if he's playing Croc on the Sega Saturn, then he'd have to know that it's a lower-profile port for a less-mainstream console. We're in Hardcore Gaming 101, after all I get where you're coming from though, it's all good
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Post by cambertian on Feb 12, 2015 20:57:43 GMT -5
I thought the game itself had input lag - not just the emulator.
But yeah, sometimes you've gotta cut your loses and go for what you CAN play. (And then maybe someday you can scrounge up the funds to get a physical copy...)
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Post by raph on Feb 15, 2015 15:33:33 GMT -5
Hello, hopefully someone can help me out a bit with this. I am trying to emulate Croc for the Sega Saturn but I am running into a lot of trouble. Any particular reason why you want to play the Saturn version instead of the PS1 release? First and foremost; thanks to everybody for their input. Sorry for not replying sooner. The thing is, I am kinda working on an article on the series for hardcoregaming101. Now before anybody says anything, I know no new articles are being accepted but this one was pitched way before that, so it should still be alright. Everything else is done; screenshots from all other versions of both games, the article itself...There was just this bug in the Saturn version I was hoping to capture. I mean getting all the other versions running was no prob, but in all honesty I´m getting slightly desperate about even getting this one running...
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Post by akumajobelmont on Feb 15, 2015 16:26:51 GMT -5
Any particular reason why you want to play the Saturn version instead of the PS1 release? First and foremost; thanks to everybody for their input. Sorry for not replying sooner. The thing is, I am kinda working on an article on the series for hardcoregaming101. Now before anybody says anything, I know no new articles are being accepted but this one was pitched way before that, so it should still be alright. Everything else is done; screenshots from all other versions of both games, the article itself...There was just this bug in the Saturn version I was hoping to capture. I mean getting all the other versions running was no prob, but in all honesty I´m getting slightly desperate about even getting this one running... Strange, I've never heard of it! Looking now... EDIT(ed) because I didn't read properly EDIT 2: From what I've read, and as far as I can gather, it happens only with the PAL version. You apparently have to load the Saturn without a game in the CD drive, let it boot to the CD Player, insert the game and boot it up from there. I have a PAL version and my Saturn right next to me, I'll give it a crack And... it didn't work for me!
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