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Post by chronotigger65 on Apr 10, 2016 8:46:50 GMT -5
I thought Hot Coffee Mod taught us better. After the craziness of that hidden GTA thing years ago game makers wouldn't do something at that level in a M rated game. I was checking out Youtube some time ago and saw videos of sex in video games in certain games I have yet to play. (Wasn't doing for porn reasons. I just was curious about what there was.) Anyways the ones I saw are in South Park The Stick of Truth, Red Dead Redempion, Heavy Rain, Indigo Prophecy and others. There was something even in GTA 5 and maybe 4. So what's the deal?
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Post by kaoru on Apr 10, 2016 9:10:18 GMT -5
What do you mean by "what's the deal"? They are mature rated games, so they have mature scenes in them, which can include people having sex. It's pretty self explanatory, really.
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Post by Scylla on Apr 10, 2016 10:53:21 GMT -5
The whole Hot Coffee thing was explicit enough to have the game re-rated as AO, so as least as the ESRB is concerned, the sex in those other games is not as "bad".
Either way, there's a huge double standard going on in regard to this. Basically the only games that can get away with nudity and sex with a Mature rating are big, AAA Western games. There are countless niche Japanese games that don't go nearly as far that still have to have their content edited and toned down to avoid an AO rating.
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Post by Kubo Caskett on Apr 10, 2016 11:20:07 GMT -5
Sometimes I wonder why bother with they're going to have stuff that might be too much for an M rating; and yes I know it might be because of getting more consumers (and platforms) but really they should be honest with themselves in terms of content. I've seen ads for adult visual novels that should be rated AO by the ESRB instead of some rating for 18+ by some random company.
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Post by 🧀Son of Suzy Creamcheese🧀 on Apr 10, 2016 11:30:51 GMT -5
I thought Hot Coffee Mod taught us better. (...) So what's the deal? I don't really understand what you're getting at. |
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Post by Joseph Joestar on Apr 10, 2016 11:54:27 GMT -5
I'm imagining Seinfeld asking about "What's the deal with these Adults Only games?"
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Post by JDarkside on Apr 10, 2016 14:03:41 GMT -5
Sometimes I wonder why bother with they're going to have stuff that might be too much for an M rating; and yes I know it might be because of getting more consumers (and platforms) but really they should be honest with themselves in terms of content. I've seen ads for adult visual novels that should be rated AO by the ESRB instead of some rating for 18+ by some random company. Because gaming is an artistic medium and not everybody gives a shit what a rating board says about their work. Visual novels are a weird situation anyways. You're probably talking about pornographic games from Japan, and in that case, they have a different rating system. Games with the most mature rating are usually put in a different section of a store. Japan is a weird case compared to the US, because while both countries are ridiculously repressed when it comes to sexuality, Japan made a strange outlet in artistic movements and started just having all porn censored but still released, and money talked from there. Cultural norms and values are more Christian based in the US because of how we we're founded, so sex has just been a hidden away thing to us for a very long time. When sex got big in a medium, it was usually to shock, offend, or give a statement on the culture at the time. Exploitation never got quite big enough to count that same way. Gaming is very odd, because it's a medium that's been heavily influenced by Japanese sensibilities in many genres and subgenres, where sexuality isn't quite so looked down on, or at least allowed presented in ways not as common in western fiction. It's also very much a boy's club in many respects, and just like American comics, some developers started mixing in more straight het male sexual content. And comics do this shit too, the guy who drew Ultimate Fantastic Four outright traced from porn films, thus all the o-faces on every single female character. Sex was eventually going to be a major element of the western gaming culture as technology involved as the audiences that played Nintendo grew up into the business. Now we're at a stage where we're trying to figure out what the limitations are and how best to use such content and ideas. The idea that sex should be left completely out of games, or that sexual themes in games alone means it deserves not to be sold on store shelves or digital marketplaces, is ridiculous. But there does need to be a dividing line, of course. Question is how to make that line without going too far. |
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Post by Scylla on Apr 10, 2016 19:53:14 GMT -5
I've seen ads for adult visual novels that should be rated AO by the ESRB instead of some rating for 18+ by some random company. Depending on the platform and where/how it's sold, it's not necessarily a necessity to have a game rated by the ESRB. It's actually quite nice for small publishers releasing niche games who find it difficult to spare the multiple thousands it costs to get a game rated by the ESRB. Like with Limited Run Games, none of their releases have ESRB ratings, and they also don't have any extreme content (I'm not sure if any would even earn a Mature rating). As far as adult games lacking ESRB ratings, I find that most publishers are pretty forthcoming about what their games contain so as to avoid anybody accidentally stumbling onto something that's too explicit for their tastes. |
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Post by Feynman on Apr 10, 2016 21:08:02 GMT -5
The ESRB is a voluntary rating system. Platform holders (Such as Sony, Microsoft, or Nintendo) require developers who want to release games on their platform to be rated, but it's not a legal obligation. I believe games with explicit sexual content (such as Japanese eroge) do require a warning label, but that label doesn't need to be in form of an ESRB rating specifically. Any game with sexual content extreme enough to warrant an AO rating isn't going to be sold at traditional retail outlets, they're going to be sold via stores that have an age requirement warning (such as JAST, MangaGamer, or J-list), and any packaged versions will inevitably have some kind of "adults only" label as well. Because of that, the folks selling those games have no reason to spend the money on an ESRB rating, because the major retail stores that would require such ratings would never sell those kinds of games in the first place.
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Post by chronotigger65 on Apr 10, 2016 23:45:37 GMT -5
What do you mean by "what's the deal"? They are mature rated games, so they have mature scenes in them, which can include people having sex. It's pretty self explanatory, really. Well, technically if there's some kind of humping happening with it being fully shown in a video game I believe it should be rated Adult's Only (AO) not Mature (M) like with what happened with GTA San Andrea's Hot Coffee mod. This isn't like two actors just pretending to do the nasty and a movie would be a R rating. This is something that was animated like a hentai anime but probably not too extreme as one of those animated shows. But that's not to say that there's ways to make a sex scene and not get an AO. One example I think is alright was in Duke Nukem Forever. In the strip club dream that Duke has later in the game he gets some in the restroom but it kind of happened off screen. |
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Post by GamerL on Apr 11, 2016 2:58:18 GMT -5
I've always hated it when idiots say you shouldn't have sex scenes in video games because it's "not real" and therefore "ridiculous" (I've even seen people compare it to the puppet sex in Team America) which is a completely reductive stance to take on video games. I actually hope GTA6 has full frontal nudity for the strippers and actual sex scenes just so we know Rockstar can continue to push the envelope and keep people on their toes.  |
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Post by 🧀Son of Suzy Creamcheese🧀 on Apr 11, 2016 3:51:23 GMT -5
You'd think that in a medium where blowing people to pieces in an everyday occurance, sex wouldn't be so 'taboo'.
Then again, quite often I find sex scenes in otherwise non-pornographic shows or movies kind of out of place/jarring, unless there's story/plot going on, so it's not like it's really missing from games if you ask me. And honestly, if it's done in-engine it'd most likely end up looking ridiculous.
But yeah, some parents rather show their kids exploding brains than nipples. Weird world we're living in.
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Post by GamerL on Apr 11, 2016 4:00:21 GMT -5
if it's done in-engine it'd most likely end up looking ridiculous. The thing is, maybe that was true years ago but with today's graphics you can make character models that look pretty damn realistic, so I don't think sex would be ridiculous. And you're right, for all the violence in video games why not have a little more sex? |
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Post by X-pert74 on Apr 11, 2016 4:03:54 GMT -5
I wouldn't go out of my way to see a sex scene in a game, but I'm not opposed to sex scenes being in games that I play; I do think it's possible to do them without it being awkward (one example being Wolfenstein: The New Order ). I also am definitely not in favor of making every game that features a sex scene be rated Adults Only. Provided it's not flat-out porn, I don't see any issue with rating those games M. |
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Post by GamerL on Apr 11, 2016 4:16:06 GMT -5
Sex aside, I'm glad it's at least passable for an M rated game to have a little nudity these days, I always thought it was pretty lame that nudity used to be the one line games would never cross no matter how much violence they had, but today an M rated game can have bare breasts and it's the not the end of the world like you'd think after Hot Coffee, that's progress.
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