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Post by eatersthemanfool on Nov 23, 2018 23:14:16 GMT -5
I liek fud.
I have mixed feelings on Thanksgiving as a whole. I find it less objectionable than Columbus Day, at any rate.
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Post by GamerL on Nov 23, 2018 23:49:48 GMT -5
I think it's a fairly dull holiday and the turkey and all that are never quite as tasty to me as you'd hope.
But it's nice to see family, I also don't give a crap about the history or the "meaning" of the holiday, Thanksgiving means a chance to visit family, wanting to complain about it being about colonialism or whatever is the left wing equivalent of conservative Christians accusing Halloween of being about devil worship or talking about the "war on Christmas"
Holidays mean whatever we want them to mean, the meanings of Holidays have always changed and evolved over time, today Thanksgiving means spending time with family and being thankful for what you have in life, that's it.
Not to mention the idea of a fall feast predates what we call Thanksgiving today anyway.
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Post by eatersthemanfool on Nov 24, 2018 0:50:19 GMT -5
Goddamnit, griff.
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Post by Bumpyroad on Nov 24, 2018 2:43:24 GMT -5
"Fuud is gud fuud for your mauuuf"
Arnie
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Post by eatersthemanfool on Nov 24, 2018 4:10:08 GMT -5
Is not a toomor!
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Post by GamerL on Nov 24, 2018 7:30:53 GMT -5
What is factually inaccurate about the statement that the meanings of holidays change over time? Would you be shocked to learn that Christmas was not always a Christian holiday? Just like we have to listen to people whine every Christmas about Starbucks featuring the wrong color of cup or whatever, every Halloween and Thanksgiving now we have to listen to unnecessary griping about them too, personally I don't see the point in bringing political agendas into holidays. When even something like Thanksgiving is politicized, you know American culture is in some dire straits indeed. But that is just my personal view, celebrate or don't celebrate whatever you want and feel about them however you want, do I not have a right to share my opinion? surnshurn asked and I quote "American holiday of Thanksgiving - love it or hate it?" I shared my personal view of the holiday, do I not have a right do that? Who gets to decide here who can and cannot have an opinion? This is a discussion forum for discussing things, sharing opinions, imagine that, people sharing opinions and having discussions about things, like the interwebs used to work, what a concept! I'm sorry if I'm coming off as overly defensive, I just don't appreciate that tone.
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Post by X-pert74 on Nov 27, 2018 0:29:41 GMT -5
My family got me a new computer case + external disc drive, as an early holiday gift I'm really thankful! My old case was pretty worn-out and big and loud (its fans were old), while this new one is much better all around. It also has customizable flashing lights; I have it set to the purplish pink lighting, to match my pink-lit mouse yayyy
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Post by Woody Alien on Nov 27, 2018 7:25:09 GMT -5
My family got me a new computer case + external disc drive, as an early holiday gift I'm really thankful! My old case was pretty worn-out and big and loud (its fans were old), while this new one is much better all around. It also has customizable flashing lights; I have it set to the purplish pink lighting, to match my pink-lit mouse yayyy Sounds cool!
COCAINUM!
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Post by Snake on Nov 28, 2018 18:58:50 GMT -5
American holiday of Thanksgiving - love it or hate it? It's a tradition with my family, and I was plenty happy with a relatively modest meal this year: there was definitely a lot of food, mostly veggies and grains with a meat and some sugars. We're normally dieters, so the cheat day was welcome. How does HG101 feel about this holiday? I'm curious To me it's just another day off. I can feel appreciation and gratitude daily, without it having to be a national holiday. Just like Earth Day. I don't have to wait until Earth Day to especially care about the environment. Let's just love the planet and try to take care of it, before the tectonic plates shift again in millions of years and create new continents and all landfills we made get swallowed into the magma. As a holiday, it's mostly a dim sum day with the family. Most Asians don't cook turkey. It's pricy, and time intensive. Luckily most Chinese and Korean restaurants opportunistically open on Thanksgiving. So if we're not getting dim, it may just be Korean BBQ. Every so often, maybe there'll be a holiday party potluck or gathering with friends. Or it's just a day to strategize on Black Friday/Cyber Monday deals. As for the essence of the holiday, I think it's nice in spirit that settlers were able to commune with local natives and share food and amicability. Even if it was short-lived, and the actual aftermath wasn't so kind to the native tribes.
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Post by eatersthemanfool on Nov 28, 2018 23:12:36 GMT -5
I'm sorry if I'm coming off as overly defensive, I just don't appreciate that tone. Final edit: There's no point having this argument. Fuck it.
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Post by GamerL on Nov 28, 2018 23:47:59 GMT -5
See, "right wing bullshit", that's the problem, just because an opinion leans from a conservative angle doesn't always make it inherently bullshit.
You don't have to agree with it, but if you're coming from the angle that it's just "bullshit" is not conducive to healthy debates and discussions, I could dismiss anyone's opinions or views that are different than mine as simply "bullshit" but I don't because I try to be more respectful than that, I just want the same respect afforded to me.
This is the attitude going around today in modern culture that I hate, that there's only one "correct" way to think and anyone who doesn't is going to get hit with negatively, hostility and intimidation, yeah, I'm getting tired of that.
Do you want discussion or do you want an echo chamber?
My only point regarding Thanksgiving is that any connection between it and the history of Native Americans is vague at best by this point in time, as I said, the idea of a feast day in the fall has historical precedent before the USA even existed, much like Christmas or Halloween, I don’t know what people are saying exactly, that we should just stop celebrating it completely or turn it into some sort of national day of mourning or whatever rather than enjoying spending time with our families? It’s absurd and frankly creepy to me that people would take it that far, I don’t want to live in an American culture that just hates itself, that only focuses on the bad and never the good, we have a warped view of history now where we forget or downplay the good and the progress and only want to talk about the bad, it lacks perspective and in my opinion it’s not right.
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Post by eatersthemanfool on Nov 28, 2018 23:57:55 GMT -5
I want to not have yet another discussion about this shit with you, Griff. That's what I want. You aren't going to change and the more times this shit comes up, the less I want to try.
I mean FFS you talk about me being in an echo chamber, then compare me finding thanksgiving distasteful to fucking evangelical door knockers.
Edit to your edit: Then you should have said that.
You'd still be wrong, but you'd be less of an asshole. You do realize that we only stopped doing forced assimilation in 1975, right? Our track record with native americans is VERY MUCH a part of our current character as a nation, not history.
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Post by GamerL on Nov 29, 2018 0:06:33 GMT -5
What is the direct connection between that and Thanksgiving though?
Also, I wasn’t taking about you personally, I was making a general statement about some people this days, I’m sorry if that came off as a personal attack.
One thing to remember is online discussion is not always about changing minds, it’s a dialogue, we each share our views and it’s all food for thought, It doesn’t have to be so intense a debate that someone has to “win” or “lose” it.
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Post by eatersthemanfool on Nov 29, 2018 0:20:17 GMT -5
It did come off as a personal attack.
And the direct connection maaaaybe, and I'm giving you a lot of the benefit of the doubt here, maaaaaaybe is a little lost in the younger generation. But when I was growing up, Thanksgiving was very much connected to relations between the pilgrims and the local tribes. It was a celebration of the tribes helping the pilgrims through a harsh winter.
That didn't end well for the tribes. And if it was all done now and the US government wasn't still actively fucking them over it might be a different story, but that's how it stands. So yea, Columbus Day, Thanksgiving, Mount Rushmore, pretty much anything to do with US/Native relations is varying degrees of distasteful. It's like a bully taking your lunch money every day and making a big show of thanking you for it. Except, you know, with a lot more murder.
Edit: Oh yea, doesn't help that I grew up in a time when it just wasn't thanksgiving without goddamn peter pan style dancing injuns everywhere.
Edit Edit: But like, yea. See I feel like you want your views to be respected but you don't want to respect mine. The evangelical comment was a good example of that, but it's a general thing.
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Post by GamerL on Nov 29, 2018 0:51:12 GMT -5
It did come off as a personal attack.
And the direct connection maaaaybe, and I'm giving you a lot of the benefit of the doubt here, maaaaaaybe is a little lost in the younger generation. But when I was growing up, Thanksgiving was very much connected to relations between the pilgrims and the local tribes. It was a celebration of the tribes helping the pilgrims through a harsh winter.
That didn't end well for the tribes. And if it was all done now and the US government wasn't still actively fucking them over it might be a different story, but that's how it stands. So yea, Columbus Day, Thanksgiving, Mount Rushmore, pretty much anything to do with US/Native relations is varying degrees of distasteful. It's like a bully taking your lunch money every day and making a big show of thanking you for it. Except, you know, with a lot more murder.
Edit: Oh yea, doesn't help that I grew up in a time when it just wasn't thanksgiving without goddamn peter pan style dancing injuns everywhere.
Edit Edit: But like, yea. See I feel like you want your views to be respected but you don't want to respect mine. The evangelical comment was a good example of that, but it's a general thing. Well, I'm very sorry, I didn't mean it as an attack against you personally. I do however see attitudes on the left side today that I do think ironically echo the evangelical type attitudes, though what we're really talking about here is just people who simply take a very fanatical, absolutist attitude over their beliefs, I'm not accusing you personally of having that attitude, I'm just addressing the wider cultural context in which we have these debates. And I totally understand what you're saying, but I'm younger, I grew up in the 90s when the "story" of Thanksgiving was a lot vaguer and just in general attitudes about Native Americans had changed greatly by that time, there was a newfound respect for Native American history and culture, I remember watching a very good movie as a kid called "The Indian in The Cupboard" that was all about breaking stereotypes and giving kids a lesson about real Native American culture and history, which I found totally fascinating. That was my point is that holidays are an ever changing and shifting thing that reflect the culture of the times, I don't think you have to throw out the baby with the bathwater on something like Thanksgiving, you can take the good and leave the bad behind. Something like Columbus day is a different story given that's about a specific person, I personally don't celebrate it. And Mount Rushmore is unfortunate too.
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