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Post by ReyVGM on Feb 24, 2009 20:35:09 GMT -5
I think that on top of retail boxed releases, they were also offered on the disk writer machines.
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Post by derboo on Feb 25, 2009 3:12:34 GMT -5
There where boxed releases for the majority of games, so yeah, mentioning this is totally justified.
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Post by zzz on Feb 25, 2009 5:15:42 GMT -5
Okay, so all FDS games were released that way, but weren't most of them also sold some other way? There where boxed releases for the majority of games, so yeah, mentioning this is totally justified. I think that on top of retail boxed releases, they were also offered on the disk writer machines. There is not one single FDS release with box art. The vending machines really were the only way to get the games. The thing about the one game being "released exclusively for Disk Writer machines" just means that it was released exclusively for FDS.
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Post by derboo on Feb 25, 2009 6:12:32 GMT -5
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Post by zzz on Feb 25, 2009 14:48:35 GMT -5
But is there any evidence that those were sold in stores, and not through some kind of non-traditional outlet(s)?
And anyway, those still seem to have been rare exceptions. Notice how (at least) a couple of those were also availible in cartidge form. I wonder if there's a reason for that. Maybe there could have been special (possibly limited) retail releases of the more popular FDS titles?
Either way, the cardboard sleeve releases seem to have been the exception rather than the rule. Meaning that it would only be worth mentioning for the rare titles that did come bound in those sleeves, which can't be said about any of the Eggerland titles.
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Post by derboo on Feb 25, 2009 15:20:12 GMT -5
But is there any evidence that those were sold in stores, and not through some kind of non-traditional outlet(s)? Since they have cases with proper covers and manuals, they at least can't be from the vending machines (it certainly would render the machines completely senseless, since the whole point was to distribute the games cheaply without much effort involved). And anyway, those still seem to have been rare exceptions. Notice how (at least) a couple of those were also availible in cartidge form. I wonder if there's a reason for that. Maybe there could have been special (possibly limited) retail releases of the more popular FDS titles? The vast majority of games I've seen in retro game stores in Tokyo came with that kind of case. I don't know how many disk games came out in total, but I dare say I've personally seen well over a hundred different covers (www.japangamestock.com has currently 167 items in stock, all of them with cover and a lot of them with manual, there's a few double entries of games in different condition, though). I seriously doubt anyone can find more than 10-20 official games where there didn't exist a cased version with cover at all. About the double-releases: I don't know the circumstances for all of them, but at least some of the early disc games where later (much later) ported to a cartridge version because of their popularity (Zelda, Akumajou Dracula).
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Post by zzz on Feb 25, 2009 15:56:47 GMT -5
Whatever the case, I think any kind of thorough explanation of the vending machines would be better suited for an article on the history of the FDS itself. If anything is added then a simple comment along the lines of " Interestingly, this seems to have been one of the FDS titles to have been available solely from Disk Writer machines, as it doesn't appear to have ever been released at retail." would be more than adequate. Just make sure to throw in the hyperlink so that people can read up on what "Disk Writer machines" are, should they be interested.
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Post by derboo on Feb 25, 2009 16:10:57 GMT -5
Ehhm, I might be missing something, but does that Wikipedia article mention the Disk Writer at all?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2009 20:11:57 GMT -5
If anything is added then a simple comment along the lines of " Interestingly, this seems to have been one of the FDS titles to have been available solely from Disk Writer machines, as it doesn't appear to have ever been released at retail." would be more than adequate. Just make sure to throw in the hyperlink so that people can read up on what "Disk Writer machines" are, should they be interested. A quick mention like that is just what I was after. That hyperlink idea was a nice touch, although I personally think it should link to this page: Click!!
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Post by zzz on Feb 25, 2009 20:30:49 GMT -5
Ehhm, I might be missing something, but does that Wikipedia article mention the Disk Writer at all? I actually hadn't even bothered to look through the wiki link. MP83's site is probably better actually (though I've only skimmed it).
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Post by Scylla on Apr 1, 2009 17:23:50 GMT -5
See, now this is the kind of game franchise that is perfect for this site. I've known about Eggerland for a long time and had a mild interest in it, but never enough to actually do any real research on it. As a result, my mind somehow fabricated the idea that they were platformers or something based on Lolo. Boy, do I feel dumb. :) I had no idea that Eggerland came first and that the Lolo games are simply a part of the series, and I definitely didn't know that they were all basically same the same thing. This article sure cleared up a lot for me. I still think Lolo would make for a good platformer, though, hehe.
It's just a shame that I've yet to play a single game in the series. You'd think after 150+ NES games I'd have come across at least one of them by now, but no such luck.
Oh, and what's up with how they're furry in the Lolo releases? It kind of weirds me out. I never pictured them as being fuzzy. o_O
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Post by Bobinator on Apr 2, 2009 2:46:00 GMT -5
Would anybody happen to know any games like this series? I've been playing them a good bit lately, and they're pretty fun. The only one I can think of is this DOS game released by Apogee called Paganitzu, where you're a archeologist in a pyramid. It was also quite bloody.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2009 16:12:24 GMT -5
King's Valley 2 (MSX/MSX2) comes to my mind. Made by Konami in 1988.
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Post by Scylla on Apr 2, 2009 23:33:37 GMT -5
The Soukoban series (Boxxle, Boxyboy, Shove It!, etc.) seems a tiny bit similar to me, but that's probably still far from what you're looking for. There aren't any enemies or anything special. Just a dude trapped in a room until all the crates are pushed where they need to go. That's another series that's begging for HG101 coverage, though. :)
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Post by brianc on Apr 3, 2009 0:49:21 GMT -5
Mole Mania has often been compared to Lolo and is worth checking out. Very nice overhead puzzle game with some tricky puzzles. There's an HG101 article on it too.
Kickle Cubicle for NES is another game with some similarities to Lolo. In that game you turn enemies to ice blocks that can be used as a bridge or to attack other enemies. The Famicom version has some differences from the NES one, though (more enemies in some levels, ability to choose which levels to go to next, and levels in different places on the map).
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