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Valis
Apr 25, 2014 3:00:32 GMT -5
Post by lanceboyle94 on Apr 25, 2014 3:00:32 GMT -5
Oh, Valis X... what a piece of shit. Anyway... the PCE-CD version of Valis I was actually released under the PC Engine Archives lineup on the Japanese PSN, by Sunsoft. Link here....and so is Valis II.
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Valis
May 31, 2014 16:01:32 GMT -5
Post by tbb on May 31, 2014 16:01:32 GMT -5
The discuss on the forum links in this article appear to be broken, at least they take me to a 404 instead of here.
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Valis
May 31, 2014 19:55:47 GMT -5
Post by derboo on May 31, 2014 19:55:47 GMT -5
Oops, I forgot to actually put in the links. Fixed now, thanks.
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Valis
Dec 27, 2014 7:42:36 GMT -5
Post by vetus on Dec 27, 2014 7:42:36 GMT -5
Political/Moral/Whatever agendas should be left outside video games articles. There are many other sites for that purpose like Kotaku and Vice.
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Valis
Dec 27, 2014 7:59:56 GMT -5
Post by derboo on Dec 27, 2014 7:59:56 GMT -5
Political/Moral/Whatever agendas should be left outside video games articles. No. Hardcore Gaming 101 combines information with opinions. You may hold differing opinions, but you may not tell us what we can and cannot write about. There are many other sites for that purpose like Kotaku and Vice. Good. Then go there for a bit. Come back after a week. Or better yet, come back after you've learned not to derail every thread for YOUR Political/Moral/Whatever agenda.
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Valis
Dec 27, 2014 10:24:12 GMT -5
Post by Joseph Joestar on Dec 27, 2014 10:24:12 GMT -5
Political/Moral/Whatever agendas should be left outside video games articles. No. Hardcore Gaming 101 combines information with opinions. You may hold differing opinions, but you may not tell us what we can and cannot write about. The real problem with the Valis X games isn't that it's misogynistic, it's that the pregnancy fetish shit ruins it. That being said, derboo, it sounds like the Village Voice if edited by Andrea Dworkin around here lately.
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Valis
Dec 27, 2014 11:07:06 GMT -5
Post by Neo Rasa on Dec 27, 2014 11:07:06 GMT -5
Joseph Joestar, "HG101," as represented by its articles has work from 167 different contributors on it. It seems extremely petty to focus on a few particular authors for any particular viewpoint. It's also pretty silly to say that video game articles should not involve "political/moral/whatever agendas" in them because Kotaku and Vice exist. Whelp, some other video game website exists. Wrap it up folks. I'll shut the board down and flash the articles tonight. Kurt will sell the domain name next month. Nice knowing y'all. Gamers that post on the internet are in this often hilarious rut wherein, games are ART man, games should be taken seriously!!! Guess what being taken seriously entails. But they want it both ways where serious critical discussion about the creation of high art cannot involve politics. That only works in a world where you ignore the entire history of artistic and cultural development from the start of humanity. Ebert was actually on the money with this, saying that it will never be correct to refer to games collectively as a high art until game developers and gamers collectively do not direct the industry to make almost 100% of them pure product. You can't have it both ways, and if someone's skin is so thin that a conflicting opinion about games they like is something that shouldn't be allowed in all of journalism then I can't possibly take that someone seriously at all regarding anything. Part of it is due to lack of experience with life outside of video games, part of it is because (and this is prevalent in every fandom) the mindset that you cannot like or should feel shame at liking something that other people find problematic. Is this due to someone being an authoritarian at heart? So they only want to be told to like things they already like? Is it due to people feeling the need to defend the honor of their favorite game series because otherwise they're less of a person if people don't think they have the best taste on earth? Who cares, it's unimpressive either way. Now, on the other hand, it goes into a completely different topic but you could make a case that something like Valis X and other adult games don't even need to be reviewed. It's fetish porn, either its content turns you on or it doesn't, there's not a lot of discussion needed to figure this out. There are games like Steamhearts and Grand Theft Auto V that have adult content in them but are still action games at heart. But for titles like Valis X there isn't really much to talk about. Saying Valis X objectifies women or whatever, I mean that is literally the point of the game, it's almost redundant to even say. Someone acting like this represents any deeper agenda than that is naive.
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Valis
Dec 27, 2014 11:34:13 GMT -5
Post by Joseph Joestar on Dec 27, 2014 11:34:13 GMT -5
First of all, I wasn't singling anyone out. Second of all, as far as I could make it out, it seemed like a response to vetus more than me. Beyond that I saw your lips moving but I couldn't make out what you were saying. As for what I was saying about the "progressive" slant of the site, it's just an observation. Most of the time it's not clearly evident, but if you get something like the Valis X article or a thread about Polygon's asinine Bayonetta 2 review that's when it seems like crusading. Also, I'm just kind of curious, if someone were to write an article about the Rance series (where the hero is borderline glorified for being a rapist), would it even get published here if it didn't constantly admonish the creators for making light of rape? Probably not. But if that's the editorial mandate so be it. Anyway, I just pray to God that there's less political drama this year, it brings out the worst in everyone.
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Valis
Dec 27, 2014 11:53:48 GMT -5
Post by Neo Rasa on Dec 27, 2014 11:53:48 GMT -5
Beyond that I saw your lips moving but I couldn't make out what you were saying. Unimpressive, I'll type slower for you. To answer your question though, I don't see why a Rance article couldn't be published here if someone wanted to do it. How much it would admonish the developers or the main character would of course depend on the author. Though again, it would be disingenuous to not mention the nature of the game's adult content. Have you ever played Rance? What's the author doing to talk about, the incredible writing?
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Valis
Dec 27, 2014 12:07:24 GMT -5
Post by Joseph Joestar on Dec 27, 2014 12:07:24 GMT -5
Beyond that I saw your lips moving but I couldn't make out what you were saying. Unimpressive, I'll type slower for you. To answer your question though, I don't see why a Rance article couldn't be published here if someone wanted to do it. How much it would admonish the developers or the main character would of course depend on the author. Though again, it would be disingenuous to not mention the nature of the game's adult content. Have you ever played Rance? What's the author doing to talk about, the incredible writing? To paraphrase Kilgore Trout (not the guys from Breath of Fire II), "Infinite sex plus infinite violence equals infinite absurdity." I guess that's what appeals to me about those games, they're incredibly wrong and offensive to the point of being funny. That, and the better part of the games are legitimately good or fun RPGs or SRPGs. The theme's not gonna appeal to everyone and I can totally respect that. But obviously there's something appealing about the series besides fuck scenes and casual misogyny or there wouldn't be a franchise.
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Valis
Dec 27, 2014 12:26:08 GMT -5
Post by Neo Rasa on Dec 27, 2014 12:26:08 GMT -5
As the most passionate Rance fan I've encountered yet I think you should write an article about them.
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Valis
Dec 27, 2014 13:19:02 GMT -5
Post by Joseph Joestar on Dec 27, 2014 13:19:02 GMT -5
As the most passionate Rance fan I've encountered yet I think you should write an article about them. No, Atma's got dibs. Then Pokey. In his case though it wouldn't make it through because he complains that they're not misogynistic enough.
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Valis
Dec 27, 2014 13:38:50 GMT -5
via mobile
Post by Discoalucard on Dec 27, 2014 13:38:50 GMT -5
FWIW there's a Dragon Knight/Knights of Xentar article in the posting queue.
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Valis
Dec 27, 2014 13:48:42 GMT -5
Post by derboo on Dec 27, 2014 13:48:42 GMT -5
Now, on the other hand, it goes into a completely different topic but you could make a case that something like Valis X and other adult games don't even need to be reviewed. It's fetish porn, either its content turns you on or it doesn't, there's not a lot of discussion needed to figure this out. There are games like Steamhearts and Grand Theft Auto V that have adult content in them but are still action games at heart. But for titles like Valis X there isn't really much to talk about. Saying Valis X objectifies women or whatever, I mean that is literally the point of the game, it's almost redundant to even say. Someone acting like this represents any deeper agenda than that is naive. I disagree, for a number of reasons. Since this is a Valis article, first and foremost it has to be evaluated as a Valis product. (The irony of gamerdudes who can bitch and moan without end about Dante's redesign, Sonic's green eyes or the mere voicing of an idea that the protagonist in a game inspired by Mega Man could be made female, but as soon someone suggests that exploitative bizarro porn might not be the most faithful and dignified interpretation of a classic series, it's destroying games writing!) Beyond that, not all porn is exploitative, not all porn is fetish porn, and not all exploitative fetish porn is rape porn. That's a lot of qualifiers that need to be talked about. Also, I'm just kind of curious, if someone were to write an article about the Rance series (where the hero is borderline glorified for being a rapist), would it even get published here if it didn't constantly admonish the creators for making light of rape? Probably not. But if that's the editorial mandate so be it. I am not Hardcore Gaming 101 and don't call the shots, but a rapist game protagonist, especially in a game that plays rape for titillation, is a very special problem, and I'd voice my concerns about publishing any article that does not properly deal with that problem. No, that does not mean "constantly admonish the creators", but you know that anyway. If you want to treat it with humor, you better be a really good writer. Like, George Carlin good.
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Valis
Dec 27, 2014 14:41:58 GMT -5
Post by Neo Rasa on Dec 27, 2014 14:41:58 GMT -5
Now, on the other hand, it goes into a completely different topic but you could make a case that something like Valis X and other adult games don't even need to be reviewed. It's fetish porn, either its content turns you on or it doesn't, there's not a lot of discussion needed to figure this out. There are games like Steamhearts and Grand Theft Auto V that have adult content in them but are still action games at heart. But for titles like Valis X there isn't really much to talk about. Saying Valis X objectifies women or whatever, I mean that is literally the point of the game, it's almost redundant to even say. Someone acting like this represents any deeper agenda than that is naive. I disagree, for a number of reasons. Since this is a Valis article, first and foremost it has to be evaluated as a Valis product. (The irony of gamerdudes who can bitch and moan without end about Dante's redesign, Sonic's green eyes or the mere voicing of an idea that the protagonist in a game inspired by Mega Man could be made female, but as soon someone suggests that exploitative bizarro porn might not be the most faithful and dignified interpretation of a classic series, it's destroying games writing!) Beyond that, not all porn is exploitative, not all porn is fetish porn, and not all exploitative fetish porn is rape porn. That's a lot of qualifiers that need to be talked about. I don't think all of those qualifiers need to be talked about with something as obvious as Valis X though, I mean it literally is exploitative bizarro fetish porn, that sentence speaks for itself. The issue of having to actually qualify and clarify different degrees of titillating entertainment beyond "_____ turns me on" and "____ doesn't turn me on" isn't an issue that exists outside of video game and anime forums. In the Valis article itself I felt like too much was written about them because there's so little content in them to begin with. The question of whether a game is a "true" installment in a series or not actually touches on what I was mentioning earlier. Some fans assume such a feeling of almost ownership over a franchise if they like it a lot, so ones that deviate from their personal vision don't count as actual ones like some would say Metal Gear Rising isn't a real Metal Gear game, etc. But again it's an "issue" that doesn't really get encountered outside of arguments on the internet beyond the most basic "I like the ones that work like ____ more." But like the boogyman, I'd rather just not acknowledge that mindset at all to make it go away over time.
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