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Post by America Young Fusion on Sept 21, 2011 18:02:58 GMT -5
LOL that's worse than Suda51 ranting about a Mario game with guns.
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Post by Ryzuki on Sept 21, 2011 18:23:11 GMT -5
I can't picture any mario game going above a T rating... and that's pushing it.
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Post by Super Orbus on Sept 21, 2011 18:28:01 GMT -5
I don't want FORCED online gaming... ^This is basically my main point with Nintendo's latest decision with DQX. I used to LOVE Nintendo. The Legend of Zelda was gaming bliss for me. Now, I'm ready to put them on the shelf for good. I became so disappointed with the N64, (due to their lack of games that interested me) that I practically quit gaming for a year. Later on I got a Playstation, and got back in to the hobby. I liked their handheld efforts, but the changes in direction of their franchises (touch screen Zelda, Luigi being the wussy brother, and him being not available in games) really began to wear on me. I bought the Wii expecting something a little different, and to get a few GC classics I missed out on. On some levels I enjoy the games I have. Most of them are 3rd party though. The only first party game I own is Metroid Prime Trilogy, and I haven't played it yet. With the Xenoblade/TLS fiasco, it really became the last straw for me. Nintendo basically, looked me in the face and said: "I don't want your business, and I don't want your money." I'm not really inclined to give them anymore of it now. It's sad, because I WANT to support their efforts, but the other companies do things that appeal to me more, even simple things like being Region Free on a console, or allowing me to back up saves to my computer with a gadget I already have. I always feel like I have to make special effort to get the functionality out of a Nintendo console. Don't put words in my mouth. I don't want online gaming. Period. I don't want DLC and I don't give a damn about online multiplayer. (Local multiplayer's okay.) I recognize that puts me in the minority though. I just remember that the DS was a fat ugly brick at launch. Nintendo was actually claiming that the DS was an offshoot of the Gameboy line. That the DS and Gameboy would exist side-by-side, and that the real successor to the GBA was yet to come. Most people thought the Wii was going to be a gigantic flop. It didn't do HD graphics. It didn't have good online. Waggle was a gimmick (okay I stll think it is, but still). People have short memories. Now I'm not saying that they'll be able to pull off a repeat with the 3DS and Wii-U. But I wouldn't be too surprised either.
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Post by America Young Fusion on Sept 21, 2011 18:31:21 GMT -5
And seriously, who needs that shit? And this is also why I'd play a Metroid game again, the zombies from Fusion are creepy cool, Ridley's a badass, and even though Team Ninja made Other M, Rhedogan is still scarier than the Necromorphs from Dead Space.
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Post by Wildcat on Sept 21, 2011 19:58:50 GMT -5
It's a tough gig being an American Nintendo fan these days.
The Wii has been both a blessing and curse - I've loved a lot on it, yet am denied the games I've wanted most for it (Xenoblade/The Last Story). And outside of Mario, I've not really played too many Nintendo-made games for it that I enjoy. Third party support, as little as it was, delivered some marvelous stuff for the console, and I'll never get rid of it mainly because of that factor.
The DS is still chugging along, and I am thankful Nintendo picked up Dragon Quest, because I love the series thanks to the DS, but they've yet to convince me on the 3DS. Wow - looking at my DS games, I have two games Ninty put out that they didn't license from somebody else. Hotel Dusk (which CiNG made for them) and Mario Kart DS. Huh. Suppose Nintendo's done little for me lately on more fronts than I thought.
Anyway, Nintendo isn't the appeal it used to be. I've loved them for a lot of gaming goodness, but their risk taking has taken a downturn following the Wii release, and I think that has dampened my interest in them as a whole. Remember Odama? That's the NOA I want back - one that isn't afraid to try releasing weird, unique games like that, even if they don't go over well. That flies straight against making money and being successful, but I like "on-the-ropes" Nintendo more than "IT MAKES MONEY!" Nintendo.
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Post by Catalyst on Sept 21, 2011 21:57:05 GMT -5
(I will never cease to be disappointed that no one bothered to make a Resident Evil 4-esque game from the ground up for Wii). I hunted down Scarface on the Wii on the word that it played sorta like Resi Evil 4 on the Wii. The controls are definitely as manageable as Resi Evil 4. I just haven't give it the time, to play thru it yet.
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Post by X-pert74 on Sept 22, 2011 3:47:38 GMT -5
This will sound like nitpicking, but Retro is technically a second-party studio. They aren't Nintendo of Japan, but rather a separate company that's owned by Nintendo. Retro was initially a second-party studio, but they've been a first-party studio for nearly a decade now, as of 2002. (I will never cease to be disappointed that no one bothered to make a Resident Evil 4-esque game from the ground up for Wii). I hunted down Scarface on the Wii on the word that it played sorta like Resi Evil 4 on the Wii. The controls are definitely as manageable as Resi Evil 4. I just haven't give it the time, to play thru it yet. Oh yeah, I forgot about that game. I should check it out sometime. I've heard some good things about it in the past.
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Post by KeeperBvK on Sept 22, 2011 9:25:08 GMT -5
Retro was initially a second-party studio, but they've been a first-party studio for nearly a decade now, as of 2002. They've been working exclusively for Nintendo and are owned by Nintendo since 2002, but that only means they've been a second-party studio ever since then.
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Post by Rash on Sept 22, 2011 13:57:19 GMT -5
I want Nintendo to rot slow. I hope Reggie Salami chokes on a salami sandwich.
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Post by Warchief Onyx on Sept 22, 2011 19:05:30 GMT -5
^This is basically my main point with Nintendo's latest decision with DQX. I used to LOVE Nintendo. The Legend of Zelda was gaming bliss for me. Now, I'm ready to put them on the shelf for good. I became so disappointed with the N64, (due to their lack of games that interested me) that I practically quit gaming for a year. Later on I got a Playstation, and got back in to the hobby. I liked their handheld efforts, but the changes in direction of their franchises (touch screen Zelda, Luigi being the wussy brother, and him being not available in games) really began to wear on me. I bought the Wii expecting something a little different, and to get a few GC classics I missed out on. On some levels I enjoy the games I have. Most of them are 3rd party though. The only first party game I own is Metroid Prime Trilogy, and I haven't played it yet. With the Xenoblade/TLS fiasco, it really became the last straw for me. Nintendo basically, looked me in the face and said: "I don't want your business, and I don't want your money." I'm not really inclined to give them anymore of it now. It's sad, because I WANT to support their efforts, but the other companies do things that appeal to me more, even simple things like being Region Free on a console, or allowing me to back up saves to my computer with a gadget I already have. I always feel like I have to make special effort to get the functionality out of a Nintendo console. Don't put words in my mouth. I don't want online gaming. Period. I don't want DLC and I don't give a damn about online multiplayer. (Local multiplayer's okay.) I recognize that puts me in the minority though. I just remember that the DS was a fat ugly brick at launch. Nintendo was actually claiming that the DS was an offshoot of the Gameboy line. That the DS and Gameboy would exist side-by-side, and that the real successor to the GBA was yet to come. Most people thought the Wii was going to be a gigantic flop. It didn't do HD graphics. It didn't have good online. Waggle was a gimmick (okay I stll think it is, but still). People have short memories. Now I'm not saying that they'll be able to pull off a repeat with the 3DS and Wii-U. But I wouldn't be too surprised either. The Wii ultimately turned out to be a fad. It had a few really good, dominant years but it's been nosediving since. The difference I see between the DS and the 3DS is that the DS had a lot of games from Nintendo and third parties in the pipeline, and interesting enough games at launch even though the lineup left a lot to be desired. The third parties seem to be dropping their 3DS support in droves and after a hot launch, sales have cooled down dramatically. A price drop coming so quickly, something Nintendo has always been slow to do, shows Nintendo is entering panic mode with 3DS sales. Nintendo still has a few series that are license to print money on handhelds, but Game Freak can only make new Pokemon games every so often.
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Post by Ike on Sept 22, 2011 20:19:34 GMT -5
The difference I see between the DS and the 3DS is that the DS had a lot of games from Nintendo and third parties in the pipeline, and interesting enough games at launch even though the lineup left a lot to be desired. The third parties seem to be dropping their 3DS support in droves and after a hot launch, sales have cooled down dramatically. A price drop coming so quickly, something Nintendo has always been slow to do, shows Nintendo is entering panic mode with 3DS sales. I think the main difference comes in function. No matter how you slice it, the 3D adds virtually nothing of substance to any of the games. None of the games require it, no games (that I know of) have done anything novel or functional with it. Compare that with the DS's original gimmick, the touch screen, which opened up a huge wealth of possibilities in function and allowed for a (theoretically) unlimited number of buttons within a small space. The gimmick to sell the 3DS adds nothing to the gameplay and in many cases even hinders it. Did ANYONE play Pilotwings with the 3D on it? I tried and I couldn't make heads or tails of anything. If I tried to focus on my guy, I couldn't see where I was going. If I tried to see where I was going, there was a fucking Mii floating in the way and I couldn't see where I was going. When I turned the 3D off - surprise! - I could play just fine.
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Post by X-pert74 on Sept 23, 2011 0:22:40 GMT -5
Nintendo would probably be in a much better place with the 3DS if Pokemon Black & White were for that platform exclusively.
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Post by Ryzuki on Sept 23, 2011 1:16:12 GMT -5
Nintendo would probably be in a much better place with the 3DS if Pokemon Black & White were for that platform exclusively. True, however they would also get a fair amount of hate from critics since making it 3D wouldn't be a huge improvement. Those with a DS or can't afford a 3DS would be screwed. (Then again the new pokemon are kinda lame anyway.)
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Post by kisai on Sept 23, 2011 1:59:48 GMT -5
I think Nintendo hubristically messing up their CD system and causing the birth of the Playstation is what did them in. My favorite console's library is the SNES, second favorite is the PS2. They should have dropped the family friendly shtick and pursued creativity with a more 'mature' version of themselves to aim towards older gamers.
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Post by Shinigami on Sept 23, 2011 10:32:42 GMT -5
I think Nintendo hubristically messing up their CD system and causing the birth of the Playstation is what did them in. My favorite console's library is the SNES, second favorite is the PS2. They should have dropped the family friendly shtick and pursued creativity with a more 'mature' version of themselves to aim towards older gamers. They couldn't go through with their Sony partnership. The original Playstation was a standalone machine with a CD drive and a Snes cartridge slot, and it would have been owned by Sony, meaning that Sony would have stolen Nintendo's customers. That's why they broke that deal and made another one with Phillips.
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