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Post by kaoru on Oct 4, 2019 6:23:25 GMT -5
I know for sure that the overworld music changes for Act 3, but I forgot if it does between Act 1 and 2 to be honest.
But Regarding the DQXI music, there's a nice little thing you can do to improve it. It has its seperate volume slider in the options. Turn that to 0 and put on some Falcom Sound Team or such of your choice.
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Post by Apollo Chungus on Oct 4, 2019 6:27:36 GMT -5
dsparil What's this about swapping the soundtrack to Dragon Quest VIII's? I'd assume you were talking about a mod, but this seems to be in context of the new Switch version. Is there a feature in the game to use the soundtrack from other Dragon Quest games, or is there something I'm not aware of?
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Post by Digitalnametag on Oct 4, 2019 7:08:54 GMT -5
I know for sure that the overworld music changes for Act 3, but I forgot if it does between Act 1 and 2 to be honest. But Regarding the DQXI music, there's a nice little thing you can do to improve it. It has its seperate volume slider in the options. Turn that to 0 and put on some Falcom Sound Team or such of your choice. Hilarious. You had me going there for a second. But yeah what he said. Dragon Quest XI’s soundtrack is the games greatest detriment. Nothing like repetitive encounters topped with repetitive music.
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Post by dsparil on Oct 4, 2019 7:59:43 GMT -5
I originally just turned the music off completely, but it sounded a little weird with nothing. You end up losing stuff that I wouldn't even consider music like the quick victory fanfare. Apollo Chungus The Switch version gives the option of substituting music from DQVIII for everything except combat and let's you pick orchestral or synthesizes version. Like I said, I'm not sure how many tracks actually get replaced, but maybe it's all the generic ones? Is that not actually an option in the original release? None of the lists of changes I've seen actually seem to be complete, so I don't know. It's in the audio settings. For the all the disdain the original synthesized soundtrack got, I don't think it's all that bad from what I heard. MIDI kept getting bandied about like it was made with the crappy Windows synthesizer. I think it sounds pretty good overall and would have been fine with it. Also, the full OST is 6 hours! Is that even possible? Do most of those tracks just get used once? That's based on this Youtube video. Everything I've seen seems to imply that only the smallest handful of tracks make up like 99% of the playtime.
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Post by shelverton on Oct 4, 2019 9:47:51 GMT -5
I think it’s time for Koichi Sugiyama to retire. I’m so over his grating tunes ruining otherwise excellent games. Does he even have fans anymore? Did anyone actually enjoy listening to DQXI? Not even the orchestral versions could save these compositions.
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Post by Snake on Oct 4, 2019 11:55:59 GMT -5
I think it’s time for Koichi Sugiyama to retire. I’m so over his grating tunes ruining otherwise excellent games. Does he even have fans anymore? Did anyone actually enjoy listening to DQXI? Not even the orchestral versions could save these compositions. I'm still a fan. Though surely one of few that like his style of classical music. I'm surprised he's not dead nor retired yet, considering his age. But I do think his ability to compose is winding down. At least for Dragon Quest XI, the overall soundtrack feels lazy. Half the music feels like rehashed and rearranged compositions from previous games. While the other half of the music list feels a bit half-hearted. But if there's anyone I would pitch to take over Dragon Quest after Sugiyama, it would be Yuzo Koshiro or even Koji Kondo. They both have that classical training background, but can maybe refreshen it with some contemporary or Big Band style touches.
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Post by Apollo Chungus on Oct 4, 2019 12:52:44 GMT -5
I like Sugiyama's music well enough. There are some tracks I'm not into, but there are just as many that capture a particular vibe really well like Melody of Love from DQV, VII's Strolling in the Town and the Tower themes in VIII. (As one highly peculiar example of his skill, Sugiyama did a string quartet album for music he did for a SNES Monopoly game and it is so quintessentially Sugiyama in terms of his compositional sensibilities.) Granted, I haven't heard XI's music so it's possible that his work on that game isn't particularly good. However, considering how much DQ is renowned for sticking to tradition (from using the same gameplay over 30+ years instead of changing like similar long-runners like Final Fantasy or Ys to still using the same level up/victory fanfares from as far back as the original), I imagine the series is going to stick with Sugiyama as the composer until the man genuinely dies.
As an aside, if anyone were to take up Sugiyama's mantle, it's more likely to be someone who has trained under and worked with Sugiyama - the most likely candidate would be Hayato Matsuo (of Hellsing fame), who has worked on the series for years and handled the arrangements for many of the Dragon Quest spin-offs/remakes (in fact, his first big project was arranging Sugiyama's music for the Dragon Quest anime alongside Shining Force composer Motoaki Takenouchi).
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Post by toei on Oct 4, 2019 14:05:38 GMT -5
I love Sugiyama's music. The first world map in Dragon Quest II is one of the best world map themes in any RPG (though the SNES version sounds best), DQIV and VI are filled with great music, and basically every other DQ game has a solid soundtrack (haven't played XI yet). I can't imagine DQ scored by anybody else. Koshiro did use classical compositions for Actraiser, but none of it was particularly powerful or memorable.
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Post by lurker on Oct 4, 2019 15:43:59 GMT -5
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Post by shelverton on Oct 4, 2019 17:02:47 GMT -5
Well my point is it doesn’t matter how much good music you used to make if your latest work sounds as bad as some of DQXI. Then you need to be replaced, is all. Imagine if an unknown composer was pitching that overworld theme to SquareEnix, or the battle theme for that matter. I highly doubt they’d wanna use them. For any game.
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Post by toei on Oct 4, 2019 19:01:02 GMT -5
Well my point is it doesn’t matter how much good music you used to make if your latest work sounds as bad as some of DQXI. Then you need to be replaced, is all. Imagine if an unknown composer was pitching that overworld theme to SquareEnix, or the battle theme for that matter. I highly doubt they’d wanna use them. For any game. You're talking about a series that has remained with its 3 creators for over 30 years. Dragon Quest IS Yuji Horii, Akira Toriyama and Koichi Sugiyama. You don't just replace one of them like this is some bullshit corporate franchise. He'll have to die or retire completely for something like that to happen.
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Post by Digitalnametag on Oct 5, 2019 0:02:30 GMT -5
Dragon Quest IS Yuji Horii, Akira Toriyama and Koichi Sugiyama. You don't just replace one of them like this is some bullshit corporate franchise. That's a silly argument. I'm with shelverton on this one. The guy needs replaced. Sugiyama has produced some excellent tracks (with V and VIII being highlights) but some of the tracks in XI kill the experience. Sticking with tradition is nice but when it starts to hurt you need to do something else.
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Post by toei on Oct 5, 2019 0:43:56 GMT -5
Dragon Quest IS Yuji Horii, Akira Toriyama and Koichi Sugiyama. You don't just replace one of them like this is some bullshit corporate franchise. That's a silly argument. I'm with shelverton on this one. The guy needs replaced. Sugiyama has produced some excellent tracks (with V and VIII being highlights) but some of the tracks in XI kill the experience. Sticking with tradition is nice but when it starts to hurt you need to do something else. A silly argument? Creators are the moral owners of their creation. There's nothing silly about this. Dragon Quest has such a strong identity as a series because it's actually remained in its creators hands instead of being passed around random hacks on a corporate whim. If Sugiyama has truly lost interest or the ability to compose, maybe they'll find him a successor. But it's not a decision they'll take lightly.
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Post by dsparil on Oct 5, 2019 6:06:26 GMT -5
The problem is that it's clear that no one was pushing back on the bad ideas. It really says something when the option to swap the soundtrack gets added in. Plus, there's no regional variation so you basically just have the same 4 tracks the whole time (overworld, town, dungeon, battle), and they're not all winners. The symphonic versions actually make things worse because the richer sound also enhances the more grating elements.
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Post by kaoru on Oct 5, 2019 6:24:34 GMT -5
I guess everyone of them gets one free pass. Sugiyama for the shit OST of XI, Toriyama for the shit character designs in VI, and Horii for how alltogether shit VII was.
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