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Post by personman on Jul 14, 2021 19:30:32 GMT -5
Twas I, lol. I'm thinking nostalgia is only a part of it because even recent-ish things are way over priced.
Like I grabbed the 3DS Ace Combat game recently and right now I see a damn listing for it on eBay for 107 bucks. A 3DS game that not long ago released for what, 40 US dollars? Are we serious? And it's not even the better version either. I feel like I won the lottery when someone let me grab it for 45. I also see someone is still trying to sell the manual to R-type Delta for 80 bucks too... Silent Hill is still averaging 100+, hells bells.
The States are just losing thier goddamn minds. Over everything. Someone get me out of here please.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2021 0:46:36 GMT -5
The retro game price situation isn't just a States based phenomenon. Speaking as somebody from the UK, honestly, and somebody who's been been picking up older games and eyeing their prices for nearly a couple of decades now, the prices have been going up that whole time. Of course Corona has propelled it to silly levels, but I wouldn't expect prices to come back down for anything older than very recent generations. The primary driver for the expansion of which games are hit by collector's mentality pricing has been YouTube videos which shine a light onto games which previously weren't known to many, so there's simply more demand. It's a real shame for those of us who want to pick them up to actually play them of course and I've found I've pretty much retreated away from that part of the hobby in the last couple of years.
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Post by retr0gamer on Jul 15, 2021 3:47:56 GMT -5
I've always had a plan to replace the PAL games in my collection with NTSC games but that's gone out the window now with the prices. I've a good PC now and emulation is in a very good place for systems until you hit the PS2 which is still a hot mess. So I've kind of been playing games on that.
I'm buying my own place soon as well so I'll finally have a place for all my systems and games so might get back into collecting but I can see those prices putting me off. It's a lot harder in Europe as you kind of have to buy online as most stuff in europe is shitty PAL releases. Also doesn't help you can no longer sneak games through customs in Ireland thanks to Brexit. Customs have really become more stringent thanks to the UK performing economic self immolation. Even worse is a lot of my ebay and new game purchases would come from the UK which are are subject to tax which makes them unviable.
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Post by spanky on Jul 15, 2021 6:59:39 GMT -5
I just need the "unreasonable collector's market" to hit the PS2 because I have a ton of PS2 games that I'll likely never touch again that I don't have any sort of attachment to.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2021 11:03:03 GMT -5
I've always had a plan to replace the PAL games in my collection with NTSC games but that's gone out the window now with the prices. I've a good PC now and emulation is in a very good place for systems until you hit the PS2 which is still a hot mess. So I've kind of been playing games on that. I'm buying my own place soon as well so I'll finally have a place for all my systems and games so might get back into collecting but I can see those prices putting me off. It's a lot harder in Europe as you kind of have to buy online as most stuff in europe is shitty PAL releases. Also doesn't help you can no longer sneak games through customs in Ireland thanks to Brexit. Customs have really become more stringent thanks to the UK performing economic self immolation. Even worse is a lot of my ebay and new game purchases would come from the UK which are are subject to tax which makes them unviable. Hey, all the best on getting your own place. I hope you get something that suits, with plenty of space for an indecent amount of games, and that it all goes smoothly of course. Buying a house can be one of the most stressful things in life but it's all worthwhile in the end.
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Post by lurker on Jul 15, 2021 11:52:48 GMT -5
So Cruis'n Blast is getting a Sept. 14th release date.
The newer trailer doesn't have this info. but it does showcase a few courses that weren't in the previous...
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Post by lurker on Jul 15, 2021 18:08:03 GMT -5
Behold Overwatch, but with Gundams!
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Post by 🧀Son of Suzy Creamcheese🧀 on Jul 15, 2021 18:09:32 GMT -5
Twas I, lol. I'm thinking nostalgia is only a part of it because even recent-ish things are way over priced. Like I grabbed the 3DS Ace Combat game recently and right now I see a damn listing for it on eBay for 107 bucks. A 3DS game that not long ago released for what, 40 US dollars? Are we serious? And it's not even the better version either. I feel like I won the lottery when someone let me grab it for 45. I haven't really payed a lot of attention to prices of more recent games, but it's crazy to think that would already happen to 3DS games. I'm not ready to be that old. If I walk into my local second hand gaming store, most stuff from the late 00's on is pretty reasonably priced. Maybe not too cheap, but it'll all be under the original price for sure. Though you can thankfully still find the 3DS Ace Combat for under 45 bucks on ebay it seems.
So it seems Valve is throwing their hat in the handheld ring with the Steam Deck. I wouldn't be surprised if they became the first new company since MS (all the way back in 2001 at this point) to actually be successful in the home system market, though it is basically just a PC. It seems like it's getting a pretty warm reception online so far, though some have doubts about how powerful it's going to be. I don't know about that since I don't know anything about PC or console specs because I'm not a damn nerd! The button layout looks kind of horrible, though? And I'm not sure about a gaming system where you'll play games for it that aren't designed for it. Also, the Steam Deck made me realize just how crazy expensive systems are here in Europe. 1$ is worth less then 1€, but systems always cost more in euros than in dollars. Steam is boasting about how cheap this thing is (cheapest one is 400 dollars), but that doesn't really apply to Europe. I never really realized how good the yanks got it with their 300 dollar Switches. Of course that's removed from all context, but man.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2021 1:09:36 GMT -5
Just based on the system concept itself the Steam Deck at least holds more interest for me than Playstation and XBox's dated brick under the TV designs, and certainly more than a gaming PC. That said the form factor looks ugly, uncomfortable and potentially heavy (it's around 65% heavier than Nintendo Switch).
With regard to what it offers me though, I'm not sure. When 95% of games that interest me come to Switch, what is the reason for me to own this, and would I actually find a use for it? Also, the price seems really high for a system that offers far less value. Starts at £350, but goes all the way to £569 (leaving me questioning the value of the lower end model) and that's without the dock - and the controllers don't detach so there's a need to provide your own for TV play. I think that I'd be more interested if a true budget option was offered - I really don't care for the high specs, I'd probably only ever want to play old games (how well would I even be able to play old games that often use keyboard controls? Can I remap them?) and indies, and reducing the components could drop the size, weight and price.
Generally speaking, I'm not sure. I'd have to get some hands on time to see if it's comfortable to play, and if there's any actual reason to use it.
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Post by retr0gamer on Jul 16, 2021 3:29:40 GMT -5
Also, the Steam Deck made me realize just how crazy expensive systems are here in Europe. 1$ is worth less then 1€, but systems always cost more in euros than in dollars. Steam is boasting about how cheap this thing is (cheapest one is 400 dollars), but that doesn't really apply to Europe. I never really realized how good the yanks got it with their 300 dollar Switches. Of course that's removed from all context, but man. Tax isn't is added on to the price at sale in the US. So it usually ends up around the same price. Also kind of ridiculous tax isn't reflected in the price in the US but then they do still use imperial and put the month first in dates
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2021 4:29:22 GMT -5
I think we can all agree that anything America does with regard to anything numerical or relating to taxation is wrong - I'm getting flashbacks of my partner asking me to file his taxes for him (he's a US citizen) - 'hey, excelsior (not my real name I promise), you're an accountant, how about you save me some money and do my taxes for me' - takes a look.....'nope'. Anyway, a quick Google puts the average US sales tax at 6.35% which makes the price of the $400 model $425.40, or €360.01 based on todays exchange rate. Average Euro sales tax is 21.5%, which puts the net at €329.22 or $389.02. So the difference in the price is pretty negligible, with the excess coming down to higher European sales taxes.
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Post by dsparil on Jul 16, 2021 4:33:17 GMT -5
Every state has different sales tax, and most states allow counties and municipalities to collect their own sales tax on top of that. There isn't a way to integrate that into the price without turning it into a range since it can vary from 0% to 13.5%. Low to no sales tax states still get their money some other way as the median tax collected by states doesn't actually vary that much except on the low and high ends which have caveats.
Used 3DS games - I think the price of used games has actually gone down somewhat. I remember looking at SMT IV used for some reason (bought it at release) and asking prices were easily double what they are now for the first printing which was a quasi-limited edition. WIth eBay at least, there is some amount of haggling going on when it isn't an auction and 80% of a ridiculous sky high price is still ridiculous.
Steam Deck - It isn't as DOA as those Steamboxes from a few years ago, but that I keep seeing "$50 more than an OLED Switch" is deceptive when the real comparison is 2x the price of a Switch Lite for the base model which also has poorer battery life. Dock TBD at some later date too so possibly never coming out if you're pessimistic. I think the practical issue that people are going to run into is that most PC games were not designed with running on a small screen device with a smallish internal battery. UIs are going to be a problem in some cases, and the rated battery life is only 2 to 8 hours. Nintendo's games take battery life into account which is something that complaints about graphics never consider. It's going to be hitting the low end of that range much more frequently than people expect particularly since certain game engines have awful efficiency.
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Post by personman on Jul 16, 2021 4:37:55 GMT -5
Oh believe me. Thats just one item on a giant list titled “I have no clue why we do this stupid thing but its all anyone around me accepts so….”
I'm kinda interested in Valve new thing. There are some games I have on Steam I wish I had on a console instead such as Ballistic NG and others that I can only play with a controller. There is no logic behind it but I just dont care for hooking up a controller to my pc anymore. It just feels off, so the idea of having something like that to fall back on for some situations would be cool. Like hell maybe it'd be a great option for Bloodstained to be portable and avoid the shoddy Switch version… though I got in on PS4 already so thats not a point in its favor.
I wonder if you'll be able to upload and launch non steam games from it. I've got AM2R and Silent Hill 2 set up on my Steam front end but haven't touch them yet. Something like this would help me. Eh, I'll keep an eye on it I guess. Who knows if it has good potential for home brew maybe I'll see about getting into emulation again instead of buying old Gameboy games on my 3DS.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2021 4:52:36 GMT -5
Every state has different sales tax, and most states allow counties and municipalities to collect their own sales tax on top of that. There isn't a way to integrate that into the price without turning it into a range since it can vary from 0% to 13.5%. Low to no sales tax states still get their money some other way as the median tax collected by states doesn't actually vary that much except on the low and high ends which have caveats. Used 3DS games - I think the price of used games has actually gone down somewhat. I remember looking at SMT IV used for some reason (bought it at release) and asking prices were easily double what they are now for the first printing which was a quasi-limited edition. WIth eBay at least, there is some amount of haggling going on when it isn't an auction and 80% of a ridiculous sky high price is still ridiculous. Steam Deck - It isn't as DOA as those Steamboxes from a few years ago, but that I keep seeing "$50 more than an OLED Switch" is deceptive when the real comparison is 2x the price of a Switch Lite for the base model which also has poorer battery life. Dock TBD at some later date too so possibly never coming out if you're pessimistic. I think the practical issue that people are going to run into is that most PC games were not designed with running on a small screen device with a smallish internal battery. UIs are going to be a problem in some cases, and the rated battery life is only 2 to 8 hours. Nintendo's games take battery life into account which is something that complaints about graphics never consider. It's going to be hitting the low end of that range much more frequently than people expect particularly since certain game engines have awful efficiency.So true. On Switch Nintendo limits the performance that developers can make use of in order to maximise battery efficiency and reduce heat. On the UI's, we see games with issues there on Switch, certainly that's going to be more of a problem on PC, especially on games designed with high resolutions in mind. I think the reality is that not every game will be great to play on this thing, and that's why I would take more of a wait and see approach. It reminds me of emulation devices in that respect. I guess that's mostly what this is, a more mainstream version of a GPD WIN or similar. Edit: Also, the entry level version has a different form of storage; the eMMC. I'm no techie so forgive me if I'm getting the wrong end of the stick, but from what I'm reading that will be slower and degrade over time, slowing the OS and perhaps putting some limit on the use life of the product. So really the middle range model is needed at least in order to get the advantage of NVME SSD.
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Post by dsparil on Jul 16, 2021 5:13:39 GMT -5
Oh believe me. Thats just one item on a giant list titled “I have no clue why we do this stupid thing but its all anyone around me accepts so….” I'm kinda interested in Valve new thing. There are some games I have on Steam I wish I had on a console instead such as Ballistic NG and others that I can only play with a controller. There is no logic behind it but I just dont care for hooking up a controller to my pc anymore. It just feels off, so the idea of having something like that to fall back on for some situations would be cool. Like hell maybe it'd be a great option for Bloodstained to be portable and avoid the shoddy Switch version… though I got in on PS4 already so thats not a point in its favor. I wonder if you'll be able to upload and launch non steam games from it. I've got AM2R and Silent Hill 2 set up on my Steam front end but haven't touch them yet. Something like this would help me. Eh, I'll keep an eye on it I guess. Who knows if it has good potential for home brew maybe I'll see about getting into emulation again instead of buying old Gameboy games on my 3DS. You can use non Steam games on it, but it runs SteamOS which is a Linux variant. There's a setting to enable a desktop environment, but all the standard Linux caveats of having to know what you're doing apply plus having to do it at a tiny size. For something like GOG which has a launcher, that would presumably handle technical nuances, but running software outside either an environment like that or the distribution's official software repository is going to require command line familiarity at some point. Running Windows stuff through a compatibility layer is more complicated too. It can be totally fine, but it tends to be more on the useable but glitchy side of things if it even works. Maybe Valve will try to streamline this somewhat, but I would have expected them to have said this already if they were. There's some indication that they've integrated their Proton fork of WINE on some level, but I get the feeling that any added ease of use is more for running games already in the store but aren't officially on the whitelist of supported games. I've used Linux specifically Red Hat variants professionally for over 15 years, and this stuff isn't super complicated in the grand scheme of things. There's just a wall you have to get over first with learning a new OS.
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