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Post by sotenga on Jun 10, 2015 5:53:16 GMT -5
I have no preference. Just pick something already and I will play it I'm going to take point - we'd discussed in chat, and since most of these games aren't going to take a full month to play each of the hosts are going to suggest a game. Mine is Donner Party. Sotenga - did you say yours was Rockman Minus Infinity? Yuppers. I might want to tack on Rockman no Constancy as well.
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Post by alphex on Jun 10, 2015 9:41:32 GMT -5
So given the nature of this month's "game", I think it would be best to focus on outstanding romhacks in general! Anyone here got any favorites when it comes to this sort of thing? Never honestly explored it much. There's a couple of truly awesome Super Mario World romhacks. The Second Reality Reloaded & 2 come to mind. Sonic games also have a couple - Sonic Boom (not the new game) is hard but excellently crafted.
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Post by cambertian on Jun 10, 2015 12:19:30 GMT -5
Do "mods" count in any way, shape or form, or does it have to be purely console-based hacks?
I'd love to see some Doom PWADS, Quake maps, or even some early Wolfenstein 3D edits make the list.
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Post by Snarboo on Jun 10, 2015 13:05:41 GMT -5
I'd say Wolf 3D TCs are the closest thing to romhacks on the PC given Wolf 3D can't natively load mods like Doom and Quake can. That said, if mods count, I could definitely name quite a few worth playing!
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Post by Mister Argent on Jun 11, 2015 17:28:39 GMT -5
This reminds me, I never finished Darius II: Operation Moneyshot, my terribly immature Sagaia SMS romhack. In all seriousness, tho, might take this opportunity to play through that hack for the NES port of Gradius II that makes it behave more like it's arcade counterpart!
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Post by dskzero on Jun 12, 2015 8:13:18 GMT -5
Man I want to play one but I'm not even sure where to look for them. That said this reminded me of that Wolf3D prison camp hack that wasn't released because it got too much publicity EDIT: Wait, I'll take this time to play Earthbound Halloween Hack EDIT 2: I think i'll need some pointers, this is my first time really joining you guys!
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Post by Joseph Joestar on Jun 12, 2015 9:38:59 GMT -5
This reminds me, I never finished Darius II: Operation Moneyshot, my terribly immature Sagaia SMS romhack. In all seriousness, tho, might take this opportunity to play through that hack for the NES port of Gradius II that makes it behave more like it's arcade counterpart! If anyone wants to try finishing an old romhack - doesn't matter whether it's high brow or complex or not - I think that would be a good contribution to this month's discussion.
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Post by dskzero on Jun 12, 2015 10:48:16 GMT -5
Where would this discussion take place?
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Post by Snarboo on Jun 18, 2015 16:31:59 GMT -5
Right in this thread! I'll be honest and say that romhacks have never been my thing. For whatever reason, I never got into that scene. Most of the hacks I've played were fan translations. The few graphical and gameplay hacks I've played were either hacks of Sonic, or a Mario Bros game. Being primarily a PC gamer for most of my teenage years, my experience with "hacked" games comes from mods! The modding scene is similar to romhacks, but also quite different. For starters, there's a sense of legitimacy to mods that isn't there with romhacks (barring fan translations). For a long time, developers wanted you to mod their games! That brought attention to them, and could even get you a job in the industry, especially with games like Half-Life. Eventually that slowed down, and even disappeared, as games shifted to consoles and got too complex to mod. Mods have recently seen a comeback with Minecraft, and Bethesda's games have always encouraged (and even required!) fan mods. Then you have stuff like the upcoming Doom, which has limited mod support built in. It's almost like we've come full circle there. :p The other big thing with mods is that they are almost never standalone, unlike a romhack. There's one exception to this: Wolfenstein 3D! Sometime in the mid to late 90s, id Software released the source code to Wolf 3D. For whatever reason, no one sought fit to create a moddable version of Wolfenstein 3D. Perhaps it was too time consuming, especially since Wolf 3D didn't support mods in the same way Doom did. That all changed recently with the release of ECWolf, but for the longest time, most "mods" were standalone source hacks of the base game. As you might imagine, the legality of this is a bit suspect, as many include assets from the base game. What's fascinating about these source hacks it that they mirror romhacks in a number of ways. Many of them are just endless variations on Wolf 3D, with new levels and sometimes new enemies and weapons. Others are basic graphic hacks, turning them into other games, such as Half-Life or Doom. A rare few, however, are completely new experiences! Absence creates an experience not unlike System Shock: Zillion 3D is a tribute to Sega's Zillion: Eisenfaust Origins lets you play as a super mutant from the original Wolf 3D: Ever wanted to play as Batman in Wolf 3D? Batman vs Bane has you covered: [NSFW] Northern Darkness is about the journey of a metal head and his magic murder guitar. It even has poorly implemented vehicle stages: [NSFW] Then you have Femstein, which is the closest Wolf 3D will get to having an obscene nude hack: There's plenty more, the quality of which varies wildly, but the takeaway here is that Wolf 3D source hacks are flippin' weird, man! You can find most of these on either Mod DB or The Wolfenstein 3D Dome.
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Post by dskzero on Jun 23, 2015 10:40:20 GMT -5
I already played Earthbound's legendary Halloween Hack. To be honest, I never tried much hacks (plenty of Doom mods, actually, also Snarboo did you take a look at the canceled SonderKommando TC? So sad), but this one has been on my mind for months since I read about it on TV Tropes. Finally took a swing at it, and well, it was awesome. I'm a bit torn if it's well designed at all, because it's obsenely hard, to a point the official hints text file says some of the bosses are pretty much luck based, but the visual and audio design are brilliant and the plot it's fairly interesting even if a bit hamfisted. It's strictly pulp fiction level of writing but the idea is something that struck to me when I played Earthbound. I also did not understand who the hell was the main character, to be honest (aparently it's the main character of Varis? What). It isn't really scary though. The ending holds a surprise though. I recommend it if you enjoyed Earthbound and don't mind thinking a lot outside the box. As a side note, this made me start playing Mother 3 on my phone but i'm progressing very slowly. Currently playing: Call of Cthulhu hack for Super Mario World!
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Post by Weasel on Jun 23, 2015 10:44:44 GMT -5
As far as Earthbound hacks go, I was quite a fan of The Rat Race. At first, it isn't clear that anything has been changed at all, outside of Ness and Paula having switched places (Paula is now the main character; she also now wields whips instead of frying pans). But as you go on, other little things are different. Names are changed, dialogue is subtly altered. But most importantly, all of the Mr. T clones throughout the game actually speak like Mr. T. =P
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Post by dskzero on Jun 23, 2015 13:31:48 GMT -5
I'll keep that in mind! I finished Call of Cthulhu for Super Mario World, somebody here mentioned it. I enjoyed it, and it's quite a high quality hack, clearly the guy has talent. It's also a birthday gift to some friend of the author, which is curious because the game has very subtle cues for direction (such as coins in places you should be jumping at). The boss battles were pretty innane but it doesn't take away from the entire experience. A note for the brave adventurer: it's a really hard mother and it has no checkpoints. The author encourages the use of save states, I mostly used it at the beggining of the stages, because, quite frankly, some stages are pretty frustrating. The second stage has some of the most creative ways of illustrating those "eldritch locations" and "warped realities" I've seen in gaming.
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Post by The Great Klaid on Jun 23, 2015 14:09:41 GMT -5
I watched Vinesauce play that. I really wanted to finish it. It's good that it holds up all the way through. Because I didn't quite feel like mustering up time for a game I'd already seen the best parts.
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Post by cambertian on Jun 23, 2015 14:59:25 GMT -5
I watched Vinesauce play that. And it was glorious. Really impressive, almost professional Rom Hack, that one. My favorite part had to be the Non-Euclidian Geometry section.
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Post by Snarboo on Jun 23, 2015 19:23:52 GMT -5
(plenty of Doom mods, actually, also Snarboo did you take a look at the canceled SonderKommando TC? So sad) Was that the one that took place in a concentration camp? If so, I can totally understand why it was cancelled.
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