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Post by nerdybat on Feb 3, 2017 23:35:21 GMT -5
Just listened to the new podcast. Can somebody please recommend AvP and The Punisher? We need these beat em ups covered instead of shit like Vendetta. But unplayble shit makes for a great topic of discussion I personally encourage people to nominate something from GTA series, 3D canon particularly (GTA3, Vice City, San Andreas). All three are pretty damn interesting games to analyze and deconstruct, being a mishmah of undercooked mechanics that wouldn't work anywhere else (primitive shooting, weird car physics, etc.) but fit perfectly into the series, not to mention how much ambition and detail was put in every one of them (just the way radio stations are made, it's really something to behold). GTA4/5 are good games, but 3D canon is where lack of polish and crapton of ambition combine into magic, and they're the one most fun to discuss. Nominate them, somebody .o.
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Post by alphex on Feb 6, 2017 21:03:38 GMT -5
Vendetta is a GREAT game if you got three friends along for the ride. Alone, not so much, but hell, it's a beat 'em up. AvP is the best Capcom beat 'em up not called Final Fight or Final Fight 3, though.
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Post by norm on Feb 7, 2017 10:15:48 GMT -5
I really wonder how that 3D SOR 4 would've been had it been released.
Honestly, it didn't look so great.
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Post by moran on Feb 7, 2017 11:59:09 GMT -5
But unplayable shit makes for a great topic of discussion It really does. That's what I want to hear about. The great games stand for themselves and will be ranked accordingly when they are brought up. But I want to hear about the real shit games out there.
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Post by alphex on Feb 7, 2017 16:20:01 GMT -5
I really wonder how that 3D SOR 4 would've been had it been released. Honestly, it didn't look so great. There's been a couple of them. One was turned into Fighting Force, which I actually really enjoy.
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Post by moran on Feb 8, 2017 8:20:21 GMT -5
I know that Final Fight is the direct comparison to SoR, and it fits well with the look and style of the game, but I've always felt it played more like a Double Dragon title than FF.
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Post by norm on Feb 9, 2017 6:36:44 GMT -5
I agree so much with Vendetta being a quarter muncher. You barely have a chance to survive in some stages.
So I'm coining a term for it and games of is ilk: Munch Technology.
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Post by alphex on Feb 12, 2017 14:26:34 GMT -5
I know that Final Fight is the direct comparison to SoR, and it fits well with the look and style of the game, but I've always felt it played more like a Double Dragon title than FF. Single enemies are more of a threat in SoR than in FF, but less so than in DD. I personally feel SoR is right in between those those playstyles. (Of course, the Konami games are even more about crowd control and huge walls of enemies.)
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Post by nerdybat on Feb 13, 2017 9:35:10 GMT -5
Let's bomb the podcast with a crapton of obscure wargames :^)
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Post by Napoli on Feb 13, 2017 21:48:52 GMT -5
Let's bomb the podcast with a crapton of obscure wargames :^) I would love for them to review Military Madness. I think it is significantly better than any of the Advance Wars games.
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Post by norm on Feb 14, 2017 5:30:21 GMT -5
William R Trotter from PC Gamer is probably grinding his teeth in anger over that COS review--if he actually heard this podcast.
Yeah, I respect wargames (tabletop and tile) and their contribution to basically creating the genre of RPGs, but as to playing them...eh. Just never got into it.
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Post by Discoalucard on Feb 14, 2017 9:50:06 GMT -5
William R Trotter from PC Gamer is probably grinding his teeth in anger over that COS review--if he actually heard this podcast. Yeah, I respect wargames (tabletop and tile) and their contribution to basically creating the genre of RPGs, but as to playing them...eh. Just never got into it. I remember him! PC Gamer had "guys" for their reviews: the sports guys, the RPG/adventure guy(s), etc, and he was the war gaming guy. The "grognard" as they called them. It's easy to forget that these games were extremely prolific back in the day, and that they catered to an audience almost completely divorced from other genres. Like, they would play war games and nothing else. It's really unique in that respect, sort of like sports games players. It must have been big enough back in the day to support a whole industry, but unlike other genres, they basically all disappeared after the 90s, didn't they? Panzer General continued for a while and I think there were some similar games, but otherwise? I remember seeing some kind of similar indie games recently, but it's hardly what I'd call a resurgence like all of the other classic PC genres.
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Post by Bobinator on Feb 14, 2017 10:39:46 GMT -5
I'd say that sort of thing slowly evolved into the stuff Paradox puts out, since their stuff has a pretty dedicated fanbase. Europa Universalis, Hearts of Iron, Crusader Kings, stuff like that.
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Post by Discoalucard on Feb 14, 2017 11:07:39 GMT -5
That's a pretty good point, I'd never thought of it like that. They're not QUITE the same since they don't have the WWII/Civil War themes or focus so strongly on combat, but they're still hardcore sims and share the same board game roots.
I guess like someone on the podcast said, these were for fans of "wars", like reenactors and amateur historians. Very dad games.
It amused me that stuff like Panzer General was considered a "beer & pretzels" (casual) war game when I found it to be relatively complex, as least compared to other more modern games like Advance Wars, which are definitely targeted at the kid/teenage audience.
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Post by norm on Feb 14, 2017 17:17:09 GMT -5
And here I was thinking I was such a war game God because I bought Iron Storm for the Saturn LOL!
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