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Post by Discoalucard on Dec 31, 2016 14:44:17 GMT -5
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Post by nerdybat on Jan 1, 2017 3:17:38 GMT -5
The whole concept seems insteresting, and I should probably give the game a try, but damn, that graphic design and presentation are off-putting. Not because it's looking cheap or something (in fact, 3D locals are rather well-made, especially for an indie title), but more a lack of consistency - everything is thrown into a big mish-mash, with fonts that don't compliment text boxes, "retro"-styled sprites clashing with elaborately textured 3D environment (that looks "retro-ish", but ends up muddy due to being "smoothed out"), etc. And sprite artwork itself seems to suffer from the "want to make it look retro but don't know how it works" thing that's somewhat common for indie games - proportions and pallete colors are all over the place, and sprites are constantly rotating too, which kinda makes it cross the line between "Looking like a retro game"/"Being retro-ish enough to invoke nostalgia" and "Just looking like artists didn't know how to properly do the thing".
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Post by GamerL on Jan 1, 2017 3:20:41 GMT -5
Yeah, interesting premise but those are some butt ugly graphics.
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Post by toei on Jan 1, 2017 15:20:02 GMT -5
I wonder when pop culture will finally move on to the 90s for its manufactured nostalgia? Imagine a RPG where Kurt Cobain and 2Pac are playable characters.
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Post by GamerL on Jan 2, 2017 6:47:24 GMT -5
I wonder when pop culture will finally move on to the 90s for its manufactured nostalgia? Imagine a RPG where Kurt Cobain and 2Pac are playable characters. 90s nostalgia has already been a thing for a while, I've noticed a decade has to turn 20 before people really start to be nostalgic for it, which is why in the early 00s you saw an explosion of 80s nostalgia since that's when the decade first turned 20, what I'm interesting in is in the inevitable 00s nostalgia, what's that gonna be like? It is interesting how undying 80s nostalgia is though, 80s nostalgia is like the modern day equivalent of 50s nostalgia, which lasted for over 20 years.
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Post by nerdybat on Jan 2, 2017 7:56:58 GMT -5
what I'm interesting in is in the inevitable 00s nostalgia, what's that gonna be like? I think we're already coming into that phase - various ironic Shrek and Bee Movie-related memes, the Vaporwave subculture (though it's more about mid-to-late 90s, but still gets Windows XP era in that range as well), and even some indie games revolving around it, like Emily is Away for example. Not even remotely as big as the whole "remember the 80s!" thing, but I think we'll get to that eventually.
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Post by GamerL on Jan 2, 2017 8:58:04 GMT -5
what I'm interesting in is in the inevitable 00s nostalgia, what's that gonna be like? I think we're already coming into that phase - various ironic Shrek and Bee Movie-related memes, the Vaporwave subculture (though it's more about mid-to-late 90s, but still gets Windows XP era in that range as well), and even some indie games revolving around it, like Emily is Away for example. Not even remotely as big as the whole "remember the 80s!" thing, but I think we'll get to that eventually. I think you're right, it always starts off kinda small before it becomes big and I think we are indeed seeing the earliest examples.
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Post by llj on Jan 2, 2017 12:23:54 GMT -5
I wonder when pop culture will finally move on to the 90s for its manufactured nostalgia? Imagine a RPG where Kurt Cobain and 2Pac are playable characters. 90s nostalgia has already been a thing for a while, I've noticed a decade has to turn 20 before people really start to be nostalgic for it, which is why in the early 00s you saw an explosion of 80s nostalgia since that's when the decade first turned 20, what I'm interesting in is in the inevitable 00s nostalgia, what's that gonna be like? It is interesting how undying 80s nostalgia is though, 80s nostalgia is like the modern day equivalent of 50s nostalgia, which lasted for over 20 years. I doubt 00 nostalgia will ever become a thing. It's a largely depressing decade, much like the 70s were. And nobody ever gets nostalgic for the 70s.
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Post by Woody Alien on Jan 2, 2017 14:10:41 GMT -5
A friend of mine gifted me this game on Steam about 2 years ago, I started playing without expecting too much and ended up enjoying it a lot! It helps that I like this kind of comedy games full of references, but even then I found it simple but fun (also because it's supposed to be played on portable devices too). The graphics may not be great but they're functional and just as cheesy as the rest of the game so I didn't mind too much.
As the review said I discovered some time ago that the long-awaited 5th chapter came out, so I played it and finished in a couple days. It's good, however as I read somewhere (probably their official site that as of now has been closed) the game has been discontinued due to poor sales and the 6th episode with the final confrontation between Marty and Commander HOOD will never come out.
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Post by nerdybat on Jan 2, 2017 15:39:33 GMT -5
I doubt 00 nostalgia will ever become a thing. It's a largely depressing decade, much like the 70s were. And nobody ever gets nostalgic for the 70s. I really disagree with that. Nobody gets too nostalgic over 70s because aside of some classic TV shows and short-lived disco craze, 70s were rather boring - if anything, it was more of a transitional phase in cultural sense, while both 90s and 2000s are very interesting in that regard, with 90s being a time where dark themes became finally accepted in media (it's often called "a decade of cynicism" for a reason), and 2000s as basically a start of a new era of technology as we know it. And besides, it's hard to consider any particular decade as "depressing" in a worldwide sense - for example, 90s were no less tragic for Russia than 2000s were for US, and by the contrast, while US citizens tend to consider 2000s a tragic decade, it was also the time when Russia finally managed to get the crap together and recover from the whole mess that was USSR collapse. So in a way, saying that "Nobody will miss the decade because it was too depressing" is like speaking for everybody. Unlike majority of political events, cultural legacy is a worldwide thing - so as long as there is something really interesting about cultural legacy of decade in question (and both 90s and 2000s were very interesting in that regard), there will always be place for some nostalgia c:
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Post by llj on Jan 4, 2017 11:31:29 GMT -5
I doubt 00 nostalgia will ever become a thing. It's a largely depressing decade, much like the 70s were. And nobody ever gets nostalgic for the 70s. I really disagree with that. Nobody gets too nostalgic over 70s because aside of some classic TV shows and short-lived disco craze, 70s were rather boring - if anything, it was more of a transitional phase in cultural sense, while both 90s and 2000s are very interesting in that regard, with 90s being a time where dark themes became finally accepted in media (it's often called "a decade of cynicism" for a reason), and 2000s as basically a start of a new era of technology as we know it. And besides, it's hard to consider any particular decade as "depressing" in a worldwide sense - for example, 90s were no less tragic for Russia than 2000s were for US, and by the contrast, while US citizens tend to consider 2000s a tragic decade, it was also the time when Russia finally managed to get the crap together and recover from the whole mess that was USSR collapse. So in a way, saying that "Nobody will miss the decade because it was too depressing" is like speaking for everybody. Unlike majority of political events, cultural legacy is a worldwide thing - so as long as there is something really interesting about cultural legacy of decade in question (and both 90s and 2000s were very interesting in that regard), there will always be place for some nostalgia c: Heh. I knew someone would get defensive when talking about which decades are "relevant" for nostalgia. Howzabout a bet. We remember this thread and 10 years from now we check up on it again and see if the 2000s start getting nostalgic callbacks in movies, games and TV. I bet it won't. The problem with the 2000s as a technological decade is that you can't really "use" it in a nostalgic sense. There is no identifiable sense of cultural *style* to the 2000s. And when I speak of "depressing" I was only tangentially referring to politics. Culturally, the 70s were a conservative reaction to the more free-minded 60s. The 2000s had largely been a conservative decade culturally. There's nothing too wild or distinct or even "camp" to look back on in fondness or irony. The 2000s was just "there".
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Post by nerdybat on Jan 4, 2017 16:29:34 GMT -5
Heh. I knew someone would get defensive when talking about which decades are "relevant" for nostalgia. Howzabout a bet. We remember this thread and 10 years from now we check up on it again and see if the 2000s start getting nostalgic callbacks in movies, games and TV. I bet it won't. The problem with the 2000s as a technological decade is that you can't really "use" it in a nostalgic sense. There is no identifiable sense of cultural *style* to the 2000s. And when I speak of "depressing" I was only tangentially referring to politics. Culturally, the 70s were a conservative reaction to the more free-minded 60s. The 2000s had largely been a conservative decade culturally. There's nothing too wild or distinct or even "camp" to look back on in fondness or irony. The 2000s was just "there". Bet is a bet then 2000s were conservative on a surface, but for the Internet, it was a whole different, now-lost culture - AIM messaging and first social networks, rise of crude (Happy Tree Friends, mostoffensivevideos) and absurdist (Weebl, "animutation" genre) humor, huge wave of home-made, proto-"indie" projects (mostly in a way of bizarre flash games and movies), "meme culture" being at its infancy, etc. I can agree it would be harder to get back to 2000s fashion-wise or movie-wise, but when it comes to good old Internet, there's a lot to remember, and a lot to parody too, affectionately or not. In a way, it kind of already started - again, those weird Shrek/Bee Movie/Cory in the House memes, streamers and youtubers addressing the subject more often and even making it a main focus (highly suggest to watch Vinesauce's Windows XP Destruction, it's one of the most hilarious things I saw on YouTube in several years ), some "remember the 2000s Internet" indie games that get released here and there lately, and other stuff. Honestly, in a way, the whole "ironic memery" you see nowadays is an answer to the 2000s "campiness", with extensive use of poorly-drawn clipart, moronic midis and milked-out franchises (something that was unironically prevalent a decade ago).
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Post by GamerL on Jan 4, 2017 21:51:51 GMT -5
I doubt 00 nostalgia will ever become a thing. It's a largely depressing decade, much like the 70s were. And nobody ever gets nostalgic for the 70s. Uh, 70s nostalgia is certainly a thing, ever heard of 'That 70s Show"? It may not be quite what 80s nostalgia is but people certainly have a fondness for disco, leisure suits and many music and movies from the era, I mean heck, we now live in a time where we will get one movie a year from a certain franchise that started in 1977. Bet is a bet then 2000s were conservative on a surface, but for the Internet, it was a whole different, now-lost culture - AIM messaging and first social networks, rise of crude (Happy Tree Friends, mostoffensivevideos) and absurdist (Weebl, "animutation" genre) humor, huge wave of home-made, proto-"indie" projects (mostly in a way of bizarre flash games and movies), "meme culture" being at its infancy, etc. I can agree it would be harder to get back to 2000s fashion-wise or movie-wise, but when it comes to good old Internet, there's a lot to remember, and a lot to parody too, affectionately or not. In a way, it kind of already started - again, those weird Shrek/Bee Movie/Cory in the House memes, streamers and youtubers addressing the subject more often and even making it a main focus (highly suggest to watch Vinesauce's Windows XP Destruction, it's one of the most hilarious things I saw on YouTube in several years ), some "remember the 2000s Internet" indie games that get released here and there lately, and other stuff. Honestly, in a way, the whole "ironic memery" you see nowadays is an answer to the 2000s "campiness", with extensive use of poorly-drawn clipart, moronic midis and milked-out franchises (something that was unironically prevalent a decade ago). I think you've hit the nail on the head, the brunt of 00s nostalgia will probably be for the web culture of the era, given how headache inducing the modern internet can be I'm sure people will increasingly miss the time when the internet was mostly for fucking around and wasting time, I know I miss that.
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Post by toei on Jan 5, 2017 16:30:09 GMT -5
The 70s were major decade in pop culture. Ever heard of New Hollywood? Almost all the modern-day classics and big-name directors emerged during that period. Francis Ford Coppola, The Godfather (& Part II), Apocalypse Now; Martin Scorcese, Mean Streets & Taxi Driver; The Deer Hunter; George Lucas & Star Wars; Spielberg and Jaws, etc. etc. The Exorcist, Dirty Harry, The French Connection. One of the most important decades in cinema history. By contrast, the 80s is when it the major studios took control back from the directors and thing mostly went to shit.
Musically, too. I'm not really a big rock fan, but... Led Zeppelin, AC/DC, Pink Floyd, Black Sabbath, KISS, Van Halen, The Ramones... Those bands all started in the 70s or made a name for themselves during that decade, making such an impact that I know who they are 40 years later, despite not caring.
Stephen King, arguably the most famous novelist alive, started in the '70s.
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