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Post by Arale on Jan 26, 2018 20:21:33 GMT -5
(response to griff's post)
I know that you know that.
But I don't think that publishers are relevant if they don't actually do anything beneficial for anyone.
I understand that people talked about Microsoft a lot back in the day, as *if* they were relevant, but I think that they were wrong to think that at the time, too.
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Post by GamerL on Jan 27, 2018 0:37:50 GMT -5
XBOX One just exists. It is just a platform to buy if you don't care about Japanese support. That's how I see it. It's equivalent to plain flavored greek yogurt. Sure it's yogurt but it should taste way better if you add some extra topping to it (ie exclusives). That's what I'm getting at, Xbox as a brand stands for nothing now, it just..... is. It's for people who want a gaming PC but don't want to spend the extra money/effort to have an actual gaming PC and people who care nothing about Japanese games, basic, entry level shit. I just think it's a shame because I dug the experimental era of the first few years of the original Xbox, the era that gave us everything from Halo to Blinx The Time Sweeper to Ninja Gaiden and the first few years of the 360 were decent too. I'd say the golden age of Xbox was the first 7 years, from when it launched in 2001 to 2008, so about from Halo to Gears of War 2 basically, the following year, 2009, was when the Kinect was introduced and the downward spiral began, the last Xbox exclusive I played when it was first released was Alan Wake in 2010, then, save for the PC ports of Alan Wake's American Nightmare and Fable 3 in 2012, that would be it for a full 5 years until last summer when I played Gears of War 3 and Gears of War Judgment, both of which I liked, but especially in 2013 it was the end of an era for Xbox with the launch of the XBO. (response to griff's post) I know that you know that. But I don't think that publishers are relevant if they don't actually do anything beneficial for anyone. I understand that people talked about Microsoft a lot back in the day, as *if* they were relevant, but I think that they were wrong to think that at the time, too. Why do you think they were wrong? Microsoft was certainly a major player in the console market for a while. |
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Post by Feynman on Jan 27, 2018 3:28:08 GMT -5
(response to griff's post) I know that you know that. But I don't think that publishers are relevant if they don't actually do anything beneficial for anyone. I understand that people talked about Microsoft a lot back in the day, as *if* they were relevant, but I think that they were wrong to think that at the time, too. The Xbox, both the original, and especially the 360, defined the core online service structure for consoles. Their online service, more than anything else, was responsible for their wild success in the 7th gen, and the framework the 360 established became the baseline that every other system would be judged by. I'd say that's fairly relevant! |
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Post by JoeQ on Jan 27, 2018 5:26:48 GMT -5
Also, achievements.
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Post by GamerL on Jan 27, 2018 5:36:31 GMT -5
It was pretty fucking nostalgic to hear that "bloop" sound again after years when playing 360 games last summer. Steam's method is technically better, being just a little pop up in the right hand corner with no sound, it's less immersion breaking, but also just not as satisfying (though one big plus for Steam is seeing the unique achievements logos over the 360's all in one notification) |
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Post by alphex on Jan 27, 2018 6:49:39 GMT -5
Bungie was already a veteran FPS dev and Halo was already being developed. Eh, Halo was WAY more of an event release than ANY of Bungie's previous games were. I mean, I love Oni, but it was a niché title and is a cult classic, not a mainstream success. At the very least, it's good that MS is out there pushing things in a different way than Sony. Backwards compatibility clearly isn't a priority for Sony, and we all know how arrogant that company can get when it's the undisputed leader in a hardware generation. As much as I love Nintendo, the N64 and the business deals Nintendo demanded during that era were pretty horrible as well. Stuff had to be exclusive so you could become part of the "Dream Team", and consequently, crap like Cruisin' USA was a "Dream Team" release (forgot who developed that one - Midway?), whereas Square dropped the console and went for the one with a CD drive. Nintendo, however, is 100% Japanese in its stubborness and pride, exemplified in the decision to go with cartridges since they allowed more gameplay options. It's part of the reason why I want them to stick around, because that design mentality and approach to treat games as both art and something to play with has become super rare in the current market environment. That being said, it is quite a feat that Sony feels like the worse corporate monster than Microsoft and Nintendo. The PS3 era really did them no favors. Plus I remember the marketing of the PS1. Ugh. |
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Post by GamerL on Jan 27, 2018 7:09:28 GMT -5
That being said, it is quite a feat that Sony feels like the worse corporate monster than Microsoft and Nintendo. The PS3 era really did them no favors. Plus I remember the marketing of the PS1. Ugh. How so? I don't think there's really a big reason to dislike Sony these days, even if something like The Last of Us is not your cup of tea it's still a story driven AAA game in market increasingly moving in the direction of stuff like Battlefront II and Destiny 2, I think that's very important. There's also stuff like the upcoming Death Stranding, Ico, Shadow of The Colossus, The Last Guardian, all artier than anything Microsoft has ever put out and I say that as a fan of most of Microsoft's output up to a point. Yeah they got full of themselves around the release of the PS3, but that was a long time ago and isn't really reflective of where they're at now. Plus fyi the PS2 is my all time favorite console, so there's that. |
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Post by paperchema on Jan 27, 2018 7:38:19 GMT -5
That being said, it is quite a feat that Sony feels like the worse corporate monster than Microsoft and Nintendo. The PS3 era really did them no favors. Plus I remember the marketing of the PS1. Ugh. How so? I don't think there's really a big reason to dislike Sony these days, even if something like The Last of Us is not your cup of tea it's still a story driven AAA game in market increasingly moving in the direction of stuff like Battlefront II and Destiny 2, I think that's very important. There's also stuff like the upcoming Death Stranding, Ico, Shadow of The Colossus, The Last Guardian, all artier than anything Microsoft has ever put out and I say that as a fan of most of Microsoft's output up to a point. Yeah they got full of themselves around the release of the PS3, but that was a long time ago and isn't really reflective of where they're at now. Plus fyi the PS2 is my all time favorite console, so there's that. I think he means Sony in this gen. They keep hiking the price of PS Plus despite the network infrastructure lagging behind Xbox Live. They don't even let you transfer digital PS2 games from PS3 to PS4. They have a fully working PS2 emulator, but forget about using it for your disc games. Coincidentally, they don't support indie games as much as they did a few years ago because they now have some AAA exclusives, etc. |
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Post by alphex on Jan 27, 2018 12:30:37 GMT -5
Sony ever since the PS3 to me, really. Whereas Nintendo's stuff still has an aura of "this is fun, come and play!", Sony's marketing often seems to say "if you're poor, get the fuck out of our house". Not sure if this is down due to the cool lifestyle marketing they've had going ever since, the awful boasting around the PS3 era, the "pay me for everything", the super strict policies about everything... Microsoft wants to beat Sony to the punch and for all the shit people give 'em for Windows, they've always had very nice customer support. Sony, on the other hand, loses your credit card information and would rather hang with celebs than with nerds.
They've got a more interesting software lineup than MS, but as a video game company, I never liked them.
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Post by nerdybat on Jan 27, 2018 12:52:13 GMT -5
Sony ever since the PS3 to me, really. Whereas Nintendo's stuff still has an aura of "this is fun, come and play!", Sony's marketing often seems to say "if you're poor, get the fuck out of our house". Dunno about the marketing, but it always seemed to me the other way around in actuality - Sony always has massive 50-70% discounts, subscription options and free giveaways, while Nintendo is like, "Nope, give us your money". |
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Post by dsparil on Jan 27, 2018 13:15:09 GMT -5
Nintendo games have a long tail so they have little incentive to discount. No company does sales out of the goodness of their hearts otherwise it'd be cheap in the first place or unmonetized in anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2018 13:27:27 GMT -5
Nintendo isn't exactly hurting for money. They could do better by their customers, but they choose not to.
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Post by alphex on Jan 27, 2018 13:30:33 GMT -5
Sony ever since the PS3 to me, really. Whereas Nintendo's stuff still has an aura of "this is fun, come and play!", Sony's marketing often seems to say "if you're poor, get the fuck out of our house". Dunno about the marketing, but it always seemed to me the other way around in actuality - Sony always has massive 50-70% discounts, subscription options and free giveaways, while Nintendo is like, "Nope, give us your money". I'm more talking about stuff like "speedy internet connection not optional". |
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Post by dsparil on Jan 27, 2018 13:58:18 GMT -5
Nintendo isn't exactly hurting for money. They could do better by their customers, but they choose not to. I've personally gotten several hundred dollars of free stuff from Nintendo in the last 5 or 6 years so I'm not sure what your exact point is. Granted it was loyalty program attached, but that's still something. In the case of the Wii U Deluxe Digital Promotion (10% back on eShop purchases for the first 2 years), almost every penny went into stuff I was going to buy anyway. I got multiple free games from Club Nintendo which were still being sold at full retail; offhand I remember getting Pikmin 3 and MK7. Plus there was the extreme overcompensation that was the 3DS Ambassador program. My Nintendo rewards are awful aside from LoZ Picross and isn't even a faint shadow of Club Nintendo, but I wouldn't say they've been super stingy overall. |
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Post by GamerL on Jan 27, 2018 17:10:36 GMT -5
Sony ever since the PS3 to me, really. Whereas Nintendo's stuff still has an aura of "this is fun, come and play!", Sony's marketing often seems to say "if you're poor, get the fuck out of our house". That is like, very vague and subjective reasoning, I would say Sony's marketing is simply aimed at an older audience, not "rich vs poor" But don't get me wrong, I see what you mean, Sony is certainly not perfect, I'm still pretty pissed about this PS4 Pro business because if I had known that was coming, I would have saved my money, but since there's never been a console revision like that before I get screwed over just because. Because, correct me if I'm wrong, it's not just about 4K but also better framerates and I assume better graphics whether you're playing 1080p or 4K, that certainly stings and seems like an elitist move, I would say 4K is still a bit too much of a luxury item and should be saved for a potential PS5. I mean people are gonna have to deal with no 4K for the Switch. |
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