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Post by kimimi on Mar 26, 2009 0:40:47 GMT -5
Just adding to this thread, because I saw that no one seemed to have the same idea about DLC as me. Does anyone else feel that if some of these companies are whipping up games as good as GTAIV, SFIV, or RE5, that we should maybe be a bit more charitable with our cash and pony up some dough for extra content if its worth it? Nobody forces these long-standing international companies to spend millions of dollars and several years making a game that can only hope to break even if it sells out on launch day. Like the rest of us, if they find their endeavors too expensive they should downsize and make games they can afford to produce, instead of squeezing the end user for every last penny. |
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Post by zzz on Mar 26, 2009 1:03:01 GMT -5
Just adding to this thread, because I saw that no one seemed to have the same idea about DLC as me. Does anyone else feel that if some of these companies are whipping up games as good as GTAIV, SFIV, or RE5, that we should maybe be a bit more charitable with our cash and pony up some dough for extra content if its worth it? I'd gladly pay for Extra Costumes in SFIV or Versus Multiplayer in RE5 if it meant that it would mean Capcom would put a bit of consideration in costumes for Darkstalkers or a versus mode in the next Dino Crisis game. The way I see, if some of these companies are willing to spend to time designing extra features that couldn't make it into a video game at the time of release, and the content is good, I'd happily pay for it. Why on Earth do you think these companies "deserve" money that they haven't actually earned? Wait, what? Are you shitting me? You feel guilty about buying used games!? Nobody forces these long-standing international companies to spend millions of dollars and several years making a game that can only hope to break even if it sells out on launch day. Like the rest of us, if they find their endeavors too expensive they should downsize and make games they can afford to produce, instead of squeezing the end user for every last penny. Truth. Thy name is this post. |
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Post by pkt on Mar 26, 2009 6:28:12 GMT -5
Nobody forces these long-standing international companies to spend millions of dollars and several years making a game that can only hope to break even if it sells out on launch day. Am I the only one that sees people complaining that "lol graphics suxx" far too often? Wait, what? Are you shitting me? You feel guilty about buying used games!? Devs don't see any cash from that. It's worse than piracy, in a way. |
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Post by derboo on Mar 26, 2009 7:03:16 GMT -5
Well, then devs need to come up with games people want to keep...
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Post by dooz on Mar 26, 2009 8:39:59 GMT -5
Wait, what? Are you shitting me? You feel guilty about buying used games!? Devs don't see any cash from that. It's worse than piracy, in a way. I don't see why the company should get paid twice for the same product. |
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Post by justjustin on Mar 26, 2009 10:40:02 GMT -5
The solution to all of this, of course, it to cut the price of every new video game in half... New game for 30 bucks and a lot more people would gladly pick it up-- heck, maybe even keep it. No need for DLC due to increased sales, developers would change how they make games (maybe, uh, not try to make every game a life-changing event with the greatest everything ever), and used game sales would shoot down. People could feel better about taking a chance on a game they don't know much about. 60 dollars is a lot, so people have to choose carefully which game to get-- usually the high profile ones with a lot of buzz. ... If only things were that simple.  |
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Post by Lord of Joshelplex on Mar 26, 2009 10:51:23 GMT -5
Im still waiting on that "Free Tourney Pack" that was promised at launch for SF4.
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Post by Warchief Onyx on Mar 26, 2009 13:30:02 GMT -5
It's coming in the summer.
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Post by Catalyst on Mar 27, 2009 11:50:38 GMT -5
I think these companies deserve money, because they bothered to produce a viable product in a market that's in trouble. I think that's enough of a reason to award anyone. Can anyone here say that the creators of SFIV and GTA IV don't deserve a little monetary compensation for there hard work? Is it because they're a company and 'companies are full of greedy CEOs,' cuz I don't buy into that arguement. It's business prejudice that companies like Rockstar and Capcom are only in it to make money. Sure, that's a factor, but I'm also sure that many who work in video games just started out wanting to make a fun exprience they could share.
Of course I feel guilty for buying used games, it's not like this is helping out this company I love and desire to create more games. Like pkt said 'it's almost as bad as piracy.' Doesn't anyone here feel guilty about playing a game to which the creators of it receive little or no money at all?
What you described earlier is a budget game, and as many people here can tell you budget games aren't always on the same level as other games. I mean, I enjoy them, but there's always a sense of "these guys clearly didn't have the cash or time to properly finish this game."
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Post by kimimi on Mar 27, 2009 12:07:08 GMT -5
Of course I feel guilty for buying used games, it's not like this is helping out this company I love and desire to create more games. Like pkt said 'it's almost as bad as piracy.' Doesn't anyone here feel guilty about playing a game to which the creators of it receive little or no money at all? How far do you want to take this? Did you refuse to buy any official version of Tetris that didn't pass the proceeds onto Alexey Pajitnov? Do you not buy Sega retro packs for fear of Hirokazu Yasuhara not receiving a cut for his design work on Sonic? No, I don't feel bad buying a preowned game - for starters, if it's not a game released in the past twelve months it's virtually impossible to buy it new anyway; and secondly, it's a legal product. Why should the end consumer pay more for the same thing? |
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Post by zzz on Mar 27, 2009 12:25:24 GMT -5
I think these companies deserve money, because they bothered to produce a viable product in a market that's in trouble. I think that's enough of a reason to award anyone. Can anyone here say that the creators of SFIV and GTA IV don't deserve a little monetary compensation for there hard work? It's our money. Why should they get a dime from us if they don't come up with a business model that works for US? Are you actually suggesting that these "creative types" are somehow entitled to our money because of their "creativity"? I repeat: It's our money. Why should they get a dime from us if they don't come up with a business model that works for US? |
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Post by Warchief Onyx on Mar 27, 2009 12:35:44 GMT -5
I only feel a twinge of guilt from buying a preowned game if it's from Gamestop, because I absolutely hate their business model and I also used to work with them and saw how this worked firsthand, so I have disgruntled former employee beef. Even then, it quickly disappears, especially if it's a game that doesn't have new copies printed anymore. I recently bought Suikodens III, IV, and V used from Gamestop for $45 total, and I was just happy to have these games in my collection.
I usually like to buy new as it's much less of a hassle because the game is guaranteed to work fine unless there's some bizarre QA defect. Plus it's usually only a few bucks more. But, if I had a local, cool indy store nearby that sold used games, I would go out of my way to buy used from them. They certainly need the support more than game publishers and developers.
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Post by justjustin on Mar 27, 2009 12:44:37 GMT -5
I figure companies are smart enough to take used game sales into consideration; people buying used games really isn't going to cripple anyone or force a developer onto the streets. Used games help a lot, actually-- helps raise awareness of a company's work, helps sales of future products, gives cheap people (like me) a chance to play great games. When did this whole "used games are poison" thing begin, anyway? Now that games are more popular than ever, making more money than ever people finally start saying we need to do everything we can to support developers (and stop buying used games)? I can't make sense of that.
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Post by Warchief Onyx on Mar 27, 2009 12:49:24 GMT -5
I figure companies are smart enough to take used game sales into consideration; people buying used games really isn't going to cripple anyone or force a developer onto the streets. Used games help a lot, actually-- helps raise awareness of a company's work, helps sales of future products, gives cheap people (like me) a chance to play great games. When did this whole "used games are poison" thing begin, anyway? Now that games are more popular than ever, making more money than ever people finally start saying we need to do everything we can to support developers (and stop buying used games)? I can't make sense of that. I can see it hurting extremely niche titles that don't sell well, like Valkyria Chronicles. But then those games tend to be hard to find used anyway, since the people who buy them tend to keep them. The "used games are evil" belief started in Japan, actually, mainly due to how huge the secondary market is for games there (and how much cheaper used games become versus new). I think there was even legislation proposed to limit the sales of used games, but I don't think it passed. Over here, it started with Gamestop's more aggressive policy to push used games versus new ones, which started pissing a lot of publishers and developers off who counted on Gamestop to help market, promote, and sell their games. I think the ire towards used games is aimed mainly at Gamestop, despite other stores selling used. |
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Post by derboo on Mar 27, 2009 15:08:16 GMT -5
Of course I feel guilty for buying used games, it's not like this is helping out this company I love and desire to create more games. Like pkt said 'it's almost as bad as piracy.' Doesn't anyone here feel guilty about playing a game to which the creators of it receive little or no money at all? I'd feel guilty if I bought a game like Valkyria Chronicles used. I'd also feel guilty if the publisher would see any money from me for Street Fighter IV, that's a guaranteed used buy for me. With "ordinary" games like Resident Evil 5, I'm completely indifferent. I might buy used if I see a good offer. Used games at Gamestop are brazenly overpriced, btw. |
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