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Post by dooz on Dec 14, 2012 21:24:31 GMT -5
I want to quote Ike's status update on Facebook about this issue, but I don't know if it's something he wants posted elsewhere.
Basically, there needs to be a greater focus on mental health treatments. With more people with serious mental illnesses being treated one can expect less psychotic episodes, such as the one that occurred today.
Personally, I'd like to expand that by saying greater gun control can help even more, and the more help, the merrier.
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Post by Catalyst on Dec 14, 2012 23:46:09 GMT -5
I'm just so drained from hearing stories like this. I don't mind if we don't ever reach the perfect solution, as long as we're striving for it. Didn't help the at today was a truly horrible day at work. One of the 1st graders ran away from a coworker, so I wen't out to look for him even though we're woefully understaffed. Turns out he got out of the school and ran away, thankfully a good samaritan picked him up and brought him back. But lo and behold, when a guardian comes to pick him up we're to blame, despite the man leaving his child unsupervised outside the school yesterday for close to four hours. I get back to work only to have one of my students yell "F--- you," to my face because of a disagreement. I get to find out from the brother of an expelled student that, the only reason their mother has 11 children (five of which are special needs children), and no husband is because she wan't the government money. I have to worry today about one of students being bullied simply because he told on a student last week who was trying to start dealing in my schools (20 bags of marijuana). And ontop of that, when I get picked up from the after school program I get to find out that while my sister's school across the street was in lockdown because of a gang shooting right outside their front driveway, nobody over at our school was notified. Even worse to hear that once the shooting commenced soccer players and their family weren't allowed inside the school, and had no form of protection. I'm just so done today.. I don't even want to think anymore. Earlier today I froze up so badly I couldn't even count to twenty while trying to count some charity stockings. It's the one thing I'm glad for today. A neighborhood church found it in them to dig deep and donate some gifts to our ASP student's, God Bless Them.
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Post by Ike on Dec 15, 2012 5:36:02 GMT -5
I want to quote Ike's status update on Facebook about this issue, but I don't know if it's something he wants posted elsewhere. "The sad fact about psychosis is that it will manifest itself in these ways. The weapon he used was simply more efficient than it would have been in earlier times, when someone may have turned on their fellows with a knife, a spear, or a rock. These kinds of tragedies don't highlight the debate about guns as much as they emphasize that we, as a country, don't pay nearly enough heed to mental health as an aspect of a decent society. Our current perception of mental health is that people who are mentally unsound are defective or repulsive, which reinforces their illnesses in a continuous feedback loop. I have no doubt that in the next few days we will find out that the shooter was suffering from an untreated, or poorly treated, clinical depression. They always are." |
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Post by The Great Klaid on Dec 18, 2012 2:10:49 GMT -5
People want to put their politics into this. That's what pisses me off. We can't look at this as a tragedy. We have to start with the whole guns are bad/guns are a constitutional right arguement. Innocent children were killed. Personally, this freaks the shit out of me. Honest to god second graders were killed and the survivors have to comprehend that their buddy is gone forever, killed for no reason. Not live with, but physically comprehend what that means. This was someone who was sick in the head. This was not a shooter, but a killer.
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Post by Weasel on Dec 18, 2012 2:15:41 GMT -5
The fact of the matter is, nothing we can do now will make the incident suck any less.
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Post by Ike on Dec 18, 2012 5:35:54 GMT -5
It's laughable to me that people try to talk about how this isn't a political issue at the heart of it. There's something deeply fucked up about a society in which this can happen, and saying "don't make this political" seems to me to be saying "please don't talk about it, what can be done to prevent it, or what caused it in the first place" because that might cast the light of doubt on the rest of us and our collective responsibility for the deaths of these children, the Sikhs killed in their place of worship, or the people who died in the movie theater.
Schools and churches are supposed to be safe places and yet these are the ones the killers target first. Our country is founded on that idea, that people have a right to an education and the right to worship freely without fear of persecution. So, yeah, it's a political issue, whether that squicks you out or not.
If you are so honestly bothered by "politics," please go sit in the kids' corner while the adults are talking.
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Post by Allie on Dec 18, 2012 10:29:20 GMT -5
I realize that the following isn't what we're supposed to be talking about right now, but whatever.
-When [CENSORED] isn't working correctly on the job and nobody in management seems to want to be around to do anything about it, thereby holding up anything else from getting done.
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Post by Ike on Dec 18, 2012 11:02:48 GMT -5
I can relate to that one.
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Post by The Great Klaid on Dec 18, 2012 12:35:10 GMT -5
It's laughable to me that people try to talk about how this isn't a political issue at the heart of it. There's something deeply fucked up about a society in which this can happen, and saying "don't make this political" seems to me to be saying "please don't talk about it, what can be done to prevent it, or what caused it in the first place" because that might cast the light of doubt on the rest of us and our collective responsibility for the deaths of these children, the Sikhs killed in their place of worship, or the people who died in the movie theater. Schools and churches are supposed to be safe places and yet these are the ones the killers target first. Our country is founded on that idea, that people have a right to an education and the right to worship freely without fear of persecution. So, yeah, it's a political issue, whether that squicks you out or not. If you are so honestly bothered by "politics," please go sit in the kids' corner while the adults are talking. Thats not what I'm getting at. What I hate to see is how fucking quick this turned into a political argument. I wanted to see one damn moment of rememberance for the victims. We need to figure out this kind of thing, but that should be long before anything happens. One ounce of prevention is better then a pound of cure. It's not like most of these get a round some long string of barriers to get the weapon and commit this act. They essentially waltz right in and start blowing things up. We can talk about it until the cows come home, but not the absolute first thing I hear about this event. |
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Post by Allie on Dec 18, 2012 13:44:52 GMT -5
Almost 2:00 and they still haven't got back to me on what to do about the equipment issues...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2012 16:06:37 GMT -5
Apparently there's a We the People petition to have the Westboro Baptist Church declared a hate group (and have their tax exempt status "investigated"). Although it'll come to jack and shit, it's nice to see that there are some people with good ideas out there.
Edit: and Hikaru, I feel for you. From about 9 am yesterday to 8:30 am today I had an almost continuous panic attack/freak out because of bullshit dumped on me by a coworker who went out of town. It's still not "good" (that will be Thursday, when that fudgepacker returns to town and I officially dump this shit back on him), but it's getting better.
So yeah, shit that pisses me off - taking things too seriously (especially job-related things) and suffering physically and emotionally because of it. I hate it. I hate stressing out every time I get a project that's challenging or where I'm in a disadvantageous situation. But I mostly hate situations where there's nothing I can do about it, yet I can't help but worry and toss and turn all night thinking about it.
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Post by Allie on Dec 18, 2012 16:15:54 GMT -5
Apparently there's a We the People petition to have the Westboro Baptist Church declared a hate group (and have their tax exempt status "investigated"). Although it'll come to jack and shit, it's nice to see that there are some people with good ideas out there. Edit: and Hikaru, I feel for you. From about 9 am yesterday to 8:30 am today I had an almost continuous panic attack/freak out because of bullshit dumped on me by a coworker who went out of town. It's still not "good" (that will be Thursday, when that fudgepacker returns to town and I officially dump this shit back on him), but it's getting better. So yeah, shit that pisses me off - taking things too seriously (especially job-related things) and suffering physically and emotionally because of it. I hate it. I hate stressing out every time I get a project that's challenging or where I'm in a disadvantageous situation. But I mostly hate situations where there's nothing I can do about it, yet I can't help but worry and toss and turn all night thinking about it. I'd actually welcome something challenging at this point. Most of my work is the same braindead junk day-in, day-out. Which is why it's all the more frustrating when things aren't working and suddenly you're being asked "Why aren't you getting any work done?" Because I can't well answer "Because you won't get off the phone and make a decision about this!" |
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Post by TheChosen on Dec 18, 2012 17:56:44 GMT -5
All the bloody idiots who keep blabbering on and on that the world is gonna end next Friday.
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Post by Super Orbus on Dec 18, 2012 21:21:08 GMT -5
I've got my lawnchairs and a well-stocked cooler ready just in case.
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Post by Weasel on Dec 19, 2012 0:23:44 GMT -5
I've got my lawnchairs and a well-stocked cooler ready just in case. are they rocket lawnchairs |
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