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Post by thethird on Nov 18, 2011 11:58:19 GMT -5
My problem with Drake is that he's a really stripped down Indiana Jones. Jones had the hat, the jacket and the whip. Drake? A shirt. I also liked Rico from the Just Cause games, as well as Mathias from Mercenaries. But New Max? Seriously, I'll take Ninja Theory's Dante over that. Jones had adventures in the 30s through to the 50s though, when people wore fedoras all the time (oh wait haha). His jacket never really made much sense to me, though, especially in Raiders considering he was in Egypt and I can't imagine how god damn hot it would be wearing a leather jacket in a desert. I say this as a massive Indiana Jones fan. I think it's a little weird to compare the two but eh. I didn't like those designs that you liked! I guess we just have opposing tastes in character designs especially since i'm almost beginning to like new dante |
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Post by Snarboo on Nov 18, 2011 12:11:27 GMT -5
I haven't played a Max Payne (i've played stranglehold though and they appear to be shockingly similar!) so maybe the shooting looks all wrong, though. Some of that doesn't look bad, but a lot of it just looks wrong. Max's aiming and movements seem very sluggish, and cinematic kill shots completely destroy the flow of the game. I also found the video itself insulting. It's a bad sign when features that were expected from games released a decade ago, such as fluid third person combat and aiming, are now seen as innovative. |
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Post by Allie on Nov 18, 2011 12:20:00 GMT -5
I haven't played a Max Payne (i've played stranglehold though and they appear to be shockingly similar!) so maybe the shooting looks all wrong, though. Some of that doesn't look bad, but a lot of it just looks wrong. Max's aiming and movements seem very sluggish, and cinematic kill shots completely destroy the flow of the game. I also found the video itself insulting. It's a bad sign when features that were expected from games released a decade ago, such as fluid third person combat and aiming, are now seen as innovative. It seems like pacing has slowed down a lot in general so that developers have more control over the "cinematic" feel of a game, having it be more integrated into games than it was in the past (compare Uncharted to say... the first Dead to Rights. Which isn't to say that DtR was blazing fast or anything, but that would have been considered pretty cinematic back in its day. Now, it'd be seen as having longer stretches between gameplay and storytelling than today's games). |
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Post by TheGunheart on Nov 18, 2011 14:15:00 GMT -5
Jones had adventures in the 30s through to the 50s though, when people wore fedoras all the time (oh wait haha). His jacket never really made much sense to me, though, especially in Raiders considering he was in Egypt and I can't imagine how god damn hot it would be wearing a leather jacket in a desert. I say this as a massive Indiana Jones fan. I think it's a little weird to compare the two but eh. I didn't like those designs that you liked! I guess we just have opposing tastes in character designs especially since i'm almost beginning to like new danteBecause people are always saying that Drake is pretty much Indiana Jones. Problem is, he doesn't have any of Indy's style. As for Rico, he's pretty much El Mariachi. Which is awesome. Mathias I guess was more the only one I could stand out of the three and ended up growing on me. He looks pretty awesome in his unlockable suit in Mercenaries 2, though. As for new Dante, eh. I'll take him over Drake, Cole and new Max, defiantly. The problem is that he doesn't live up to any of the classic Dante designs. I actually considered renting it until I saw the gameplay video. |
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Post by Allie on Nov 18, 2011 14:45:04 GMT -5
Jones had adventures in the 30s through to the 50s though, when people wore fedoras all the time (oh wait haha). His jacket never really made much sense to me, though, especially in Raiders considering he was in Egypt and I can't imagine how god damn hot it would be wearing a leather jacket in a desert. I say this as a massive Indiana Jones fan. I think it's a little weird to compare the two but eh. I didn't like those designs that you liked! I guess we just have opposing tastes in character designs especially since i'm almost beginning to like new danteBecause people are always saying that Drake is pretty much Indiana Jones. Problem is, he doesn't have any of Indy's style. As for Rico, he's pretty much El Mariachi. Which is awesome. Mathias I guess was more the only one I could stand out of the three and ended up growing on me. He looks pretty awesome in his unlockable suit in Mercenaries 2, though. As for new Dante, eh. I'll take him over Drake, Cole and new Max, defiantly. The problem is that he doesn't live up to any of the classic Dante designs. I actually considered renting it until I saw the gameplay video. I think a bigger problem with Western-made characters, is that, well, for the most part, Western features on males (especially British facial/body features, which strongly [though not entirely] influences American facial/body features) generally aren't soft, feminine, and pretty. They also don't age beautifully. Not only that, but a good bit of the time, there's the difference in how hair typically grows among different ethnicitis. So when depicting a realistic character or WASP-y descent, they're just not going to look cool in that "Stylishly and eternally beautiful" way. It's always seemed to me that it's always going to be much easier for an Asian to pass for feminine/female than a caucasian or a person of latino or black african descent. (I say this as someone who wishes I looked a lot more feminine than I do.) I don't think you're going to find a British equivalent to GACKT (without some sort of medical assistance from a young age). So the Eastern character designs, even the badasses, have tended a softer, prettier look to them. It's a more common look in real life (again, see GACKT), even if exaggerated in video games, in Eastern nations that it would be in Anglo ones or even Black African ones, or what have you. Now, I realize that the character of Dante isn't Japanese, but he was originally designed by Japanese designers. And then you have Iori Yagami, Vaan, etc. Of course, there's also the manga/anime influence which has made certain exaggerations in hair color, eye color, and proportions more palatable in the Eastern design than Western design. And I think when Western designers try to use the anime influence as a blueprint, some people may feel like it comes off as pandering or something else less than genuine. I think maybe what I'm trying to say is : What seems exotic and interesting to Westerners about Eastern character design probably isn't nearly as exotic to the Easteners themselves. |
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Post by TheGunheart on Nov 18, 2011 15:08:36 GMT -5
My problem with New Dante is two-fold. First, there's the color scheme, which just gives him a black trenchcoat instead of his iconic red one. If they just bleached David Tennant's hair white and gave him a red coat, I probably wouldn't be complaining at all. But the bigger one is that the gameplay really does look terrible. It doesn't help that Ninja Theory puts story over gameplay, and Devil May Cry has always been about the gameplay.
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Post by Allie on Nov 18, 2011 15:11:13 GMT -5
My problem with New Dante is two-fold. First, there's the color scheme, which just gives him a black trenchcoat instead of his iconic red one. If they just bleached David Tennant's hair white and gave him a red coat, I probably wouldn't be complaining at all. But the bigger one is that the gameplay really does look terrible. It doesn't help that Ninja Theory puts story over gameplay, and Devil May Cry has always been about the gameplay. If there was going to be a game about David Tennant in a trenchcoat, I'd be disappointed if it didn't also have John Barrowman in a WW2 Greatcoat as a playable option. |
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Post by TheGunheart on Nov 18, 2011 15:16:52 GMT -5
Indeed. See, that's the thing to me: why do Western video game characters have to look significantly more boring than Western movie and TV characters?
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Post by Allie on Nov 18, 2011 15:23:12 GMT -5
Indeed. See, that's the thing to me: why do Western video game characters have to look significantly more boring than Western movie and TV characters? My guess is because the protagonists of Western games tend to come from a more "rigid" background where appearance is tightly regulated (Military, Police, etc.) |
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Post by Catalyst on Nov 18, 2011 16:27:12 GMT -5
Speaking of these character looks. I just found out Leo from Tekken is a girl. Huh, go figure. Also, I dig Rico as well, he reminds me of Antonio Banderas.
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Post by Allie on Nov 18, 2011 18:05:54 GMT -5
Speaking of these character looks. I just found out Leo from Tekken is a girl. Huh, go figure. Also, I dig Rico as well, he reminds me of Antonio Banderas. Supposedly, Leo isn't officially anything. |
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Post by Ryzuki on Nov 18, 2011 18:41:56 GMT -5
Speaking of these character looks. I just found out Leo from Tekken is a girl. Huh, go figure. Also, I dig Rico as well, he reminds me of Antonio Banderas. Supposedly, Leo isn't officially anything. That was the case. Though i'm pretty sure they officially announced that it's female. |
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Post by Catalyst on Nov 18, 2011 22:14:59 GMT -5
Yup, apparently at some convention Namco gave the official word. Apparently, Capcom's stance on Poison just changed as well, despite Ono or Nitsuma's insistence (Can't remember which) that she's a post-op, Capcom just sank that boat and declared her a normal woman at a recent questioning.
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Post by chronotigger65 on Nov 18, 2011 22:40:56 GMT -5
Here's something I have to get off my gut. I hate it when a company decides to put a tv series on dvd in volumes and than decide to stop producing it halfway through it. Two of my all time favorite cartoons are Gorgoyles and Animaniacs. Both series in the past were released on volume dvds but they stopped producing them before they were done. This has in a way prevented me from buying them. I want the whole series. As far as I'm concern they have an obligation to finish what they started. I can understand like if the company went out of business but if you can't produce the entire series then don't do it.
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Post by TheGunheart on Nov 18, 2011 23:22:33 GMT -5
What irks me is the lack of digital distribution. Costs too much to put 'em on DVD and ship 'em to stores? Just release the bloody things for download!
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