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Post by YourAverageJoe on May 6, 2006 18:14:37 GMT -5
It didn't appeal to me either, but I bought the game anyway. It's a really good feeling to be able to drive all those cars, especially the racing ones. The AI is also relatively complex, but the one thing that bugs me is that sometimes skill isn't important, it's how much money you poured into your vehicle.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2006 0:11:05 GMT -5
Of all entertainment activities, its the most worthwhile. Unlike books and movies, with games you're actually DOING something, and often learning as you do. To me personally, video gaming is the ultimate entertainment format, because games can combine everything which movies/tv, music/radio and books alone can't offer to people. I'm talking here about pictures, music, texts and interaction. Though, sometimes there's days when I'll rather watch some movie or listen to music.
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Post by Sac (a.k.a Icaras) on May 7, 2006 2:20:43 GMT -5
"We've got dozens of hundreds of thousands of cars completely computerized in this game, but you have to race four times that to get them all, and you don't even get to keep them all!" -Gran Tourismo 4, custom presentation. Doesn't quite appeal to some guy on the street, now does it? I don't know why game developers like to punish gamers. When you buy such games, I'll bet 80% of people either give up or resort to cheating to unlock stuff. That's what I ended up doing to gte Shin Akuma, Evil Ryu and Guile in Street Fighter Alpha 3 on the PSX.
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Post by shido on May 7, 2006 5:21:13 GMT -5
Am I the only one who doesn't give a shit about the casuals, and only care if nintendo will satisfy me, us the gamers?
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Post by YourAverageJoe on May 7, 2006 5:25:36 GMT -5
It's not that I give a shit about them, it's that companies need money to thrive, and expanding one's target audience can help that. We're just discussing how Nintendo is doing it wrong.
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Post by shido on May 7, 2006 5:57:37 GMT -5
Yes, this one is quite complex. More effort on the casulas means less effort on the gamers. But more money means more companies will support the console.
I hope they will find the right balance.
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Post by YourAverageJoe on May 7, 2006 7:15:16 GMT -5
Don't worry, there'll always be a focus on us, we're still a large group, and we still buy heaps of games for every system.
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Post by grad on May 7, 2006 13:19:25 GMT -5
Am I the only one who doesn't give a shit about the casuals, and only care if nintendo will satisfy me, us the gamers? No, I'm sure there are plenty of gamers who share your feelings. I'm actually the opposite, though. I'm glad Nintendo wants make entertainment with a more universal appeal. That's not to say only good can come of it, but if they don't compromise their principles (that is to say, they do not pander) their games will end up for the better.
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Post by Malroth on May 7, 2006 13:45:38 GMT -5
Honestly, I think Nintendo has its priorities mixed up. It's been trailing behind Sony ever since the Playstation came out, mainly because of content. I really think Nintendo should shed that "kiddy" image and appeal to older gamers, and THEN go after the casual market.
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Post by YourAverageJoe on May 7, 2006 16:09:09 GMT -5
That's correct, they should move Mario out of the mascot picture, or at least remake him, complete with new-release trailer that begins with "In a world..." with shotguns and all kinds of flamethrowers.
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Post by Discoalucard on May 7, 2006 18:07:10 GMT -5
That's correct, they should move Mario out of the mascot picture, or at least remake him, complete with new-release trailer that begins with "In a world..." with shotguns and all kinds of flamethrowers. If that did that ironically, it would be the coolest thing ever. They won't though.
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Post by YourAverageJoe on May 7, 2006 18:12:24 GMT -5
Untill they do that, there's this flash game on Newgrounds which has you as Mario walking continuously, while aiming and firing a shotgun at various enemies untill you die.
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Post by Scylla on May 7, 2006 21:20:21 GMT -5
If you guys think it's rough to get acceptance as an adult gamer, try being a 23-year-old WOMAN devoted to video games. :P Take every stigma, make them ten times worse, and then add a whole bunch of new ones. What's sad is that, at the very least, most male gamers can relate and bond over their passion for games, yet very many of these same hardcore male gamers will treat hardcore female gamers with the same disrespect that Kurt's female coworker showed him. It's a very common belief among them, as well as non-gamers, that female gamers over 13 or so must be at least one of the following:
1. A lesbian 2. A tomboy 3. Hideous 4. Extremely fat 5. Have something wrong with them AKA are freaks
And in all honesty, many of them are, so it just encourages the stigma. :/ While it's not a bad thing to be a lesbian or overweight or what have you, it's sure as fuck disrespectful to assume that all female gamers MUST fit into one of those categories. I mean, a lot of blacks DO like fried chicken, but does that mean I should walk up to a random black person on the street and say "You MUST really love fried chicken, don't you?"
It really sucks to go into game stores and have people look at you strange just because of your gender or have the store clerk immediately start badgering you because he assumes you're some clueless chick who doesn't know anything about games and must be there to buy something for her boyfriend. Or to be pigeon-holed as a gamer, having people assume you must be only into puzzle games, dance games, and/or RPGs, or to have games that are supposedly targeted at your gender only to be offensive to your gender (see Super Princess Peach, Barbie games, etc.) Or going to college where all the girls are obsessed with clothes, make-up, and being whores and all the guys like them that way. Honestly, ever since I started high school I've largely kept my gaming secret publicly, despite that it's the driving force of my life and consumes my thoughts most of the time. It goes beyond just being viewed as a geek; it's more of a matter of people literally viewing me as very strange.
So yeah... at least you guys have penises. :P
To finally get back on topic, I'm not sure if Nintendo really knows what they're doing anymore, but at least they manage to consistently create some good games. But the thing is, I think Nintendo is getting hopeless, wondering just what the hell the consumer wants, because they'll demand something, Nintendo will deliver, and they'll still be complaining. I have long thought the "kiddy" image was stupid. I see it more as uninformed gamers looking at a couple games and judging a system's entire library on them. Even the N64 had plenty of Teen and Mature rated games, and with the GameCube, Nintendo pushed them even harder with stuff like Eternal Darkness, Metroid Prime 1 & 2, Geist, Resident Evil, Metal Gear Solid, and more. But gamers will play them, love them, forget about them, and lament Nintendo's "kiddy" image all over again when the next Mario Party or Pokemon game comes out. Oh well, in the end, Nintendo is still making the best profit out of the big three, and as long as they keep it up, they'll still be around bringing us some new fun games. :)
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Post by grad on May 7, 2006 23:14:12 GMT -5
... Marry me.
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Post by Discoalucard on May 7, 2006 23:25:51 GMT -5
I've heard similar complaints from female gamer friends. Except at least two of them are overweight. And at least one is a lesbian (and another is a former lesbian.) Regardless, one of them complained to me about how much disrespect they were shown when trying to play a game of SSB Melee at a convention, like all of the other gamers were really rude to her for no reason. I can't understand though, I thought guys were supposed to like girls who were into video games...? I have to imagine the stigma would be even worse amongst other girls, especially the ones that are into stuff like expensive purses and shoes and totally think video games are, like, a waste of time.
Once again back on topic - I'm sure Nintendo can make games that will captivate regular gamers (with the whitewasher analogy.) The problem is, they need to be the console first, and would they be willing to spend that kind of money on it?
I'm also not sure how to take the "making games simpler" talk. If they are talking about returning to 80s and 90s style arcade action, then I'm all for it (which is what Microsoft is doing with the Xbox Live Arcade, even though half of them are just Robotron clones.) But again, you have the problem with price. When people spend $50 on a game, they expect to get a certain amount of play time for it. If they don't, they're better off renting it, and game companies don't see any of that profit. This is one of the main reason why there's so much stuff to unlock, or things to pad out gameplay, just to get people to buy the game, or at least feel like they've got their money's worth.
I used to like the idea of unlockable rewards, but not anymore. Playing the game should be a reward in itself, not a means to obtain some in-game trinkey. If the game itself isn't a reward, then you have a problem.
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