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Post by Weasel on Mar 28, 2011 15:14:44 GMT -5
Aren't we forgetting that there was a Capture the Babe mode in Postal 2: Share The Pain? Even with as much bad press as Postal 2 got for absolutely everything else that could be done in the game, I never heard anybody complain about that. I guess it takes more than everyone's favorite media punching bag to make that sort of thing an actual controversy.
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Post by Vendaval Este on Mar 28, 2011 16:21:57 GMT -5
I read recently that DNF has come underfire for its "Capture the Babe" mode, in which you have to slap women to calm them down. Sounds like someone's been reading FOX News. To give a serious response; I'm British so no, but Wikipedia would be my source. Granted, nothing was really outlined, and I thought a full-on slap to the face was given. What worries me, are the amount of frat boys that will be playing the game, giggling and cracking "yeah, back in the kitchen bitch" jokes Why would this worry you? Idiots are going to be idiots. It's like people making sexist jokes when they teabag somebody in Halo, but it's no reason to consider removing the crouch feature. I realize that crouching has no inherent sexism like slapping a woman's body may, but getting worried about the extraneous comments it might generate is just as ridiculous in both cases. The slap has been reported as a joke slap on the girl's rear. I don't really see anything to get alarmed about, here, and I'm generally the first one to get upset about sexism. It's tongue-in-cheek and ridiculous. Moreso, it's not derogatory toward the entire gender and rather just the specific floozy, which Duke has always been full of. It's definitely worth rolling your eyes over, but it's not sexism bad enough to bother getting pissed about, especially when everybody knows it's a joke. The types of sexism that really piss me off are the types that are outright hurtful, the types that are hard to detect because of how our society is structured (and therefore perpetuate sexism, as it feels harmless to reproduce it), and the types that are both. This doesn't fall anywhere in there. If you want to fight against sexism that's actually harmful like those types are, take your fight against crap like Grand Theft Auto. On another note, one that I'm tempted to make an entirely separate thread over, I think some games do help promote equality among sexes (and different sexualities) while not having to rid themselves of any sexual content. Fable III's a great example (II is as well, as is the first game if I remember correctly), and even though a lot of people may believe it's a disappointing, shitty game (I'll admit I loved it), I really think other games should take note and follow the example with its treatment of sexuality. Both men and women in that game are equally poked fun at and celebrated, and gays, bis and lesbians fit entirely into the norm without patronizing them with the drama of a gay character struggling in a straight world. This is a poster you'll regularly see in Fable III's loading screen -  In Albion's fantasy world, neither sex is made out to be any less than the other, and a poster like this would be just as acceptable with the genders of the two characters reversed as it would as it is. This character is likely carrying her man just like Duke is going to be carrying some floozy, and I wouldn't be surprised if she ends up slapping him on the bottom to calm down. Duke lives in a moderately offensive world where playful sexism only goes one way (even still, that's arguable, as Duke is a parody of extreme masculinity and a character that is portrayed in a playfully sexist way, himself), but I think the fact a poster like the one above could be perfectly acceptable to us in one fantasy world is a good indicator that Duke's sexism is still, at its heart, silly fun. Anyway, my point is that I think this ordeal is blown way out of proportion, and that Duke is definitely within acceptable parameters of silliness. I'm yet to read the entire thread but so far this is a pretty good post, and you're right on it. I wonder if my initial posting now comes off too serious, when I think I would have known that the people behind Duke Nukem are not misogynistic at all anyway. |
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Post by kal on Mar 28, 2011 18:14:42 GMT -5
Aren't we forgetting that there was a Capture the Babe mode in Postal 2: Share The Pain? Even with as much bad press as Postal 2 got for absolutely everything else that could be done in the game, I never heard anybody complain about that. I guess it takes more than everyone's favorite media punching bag to make that sort of thing an actual controversy. Capture the Babe multiplayer mode was released after the controversy died down from the people who actually vaguely fact check - if only to make up outright lies. It's likely no one who could get offended realised it existed. |
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Post by shelverton on Mar 28, 2011 18:43:51 GMT -5
Never before have I've seen a thread on any video game forum where people actually had a civilized and intelligent discussion on this matter. Mention the word "feminism" anywhere and the typical videogamer goes "LOL WOMEN SUX MEN RUEL". So kudos to HG101  Also, it made me think of this: www.nomorelost.org/2011/03/25/straight-male-gamer-told-to-get-over-it-by-bioware/IMO Bioware just became a much cooler company. The video game industry is definitely changing, but I agree we need to focus on the problem with real sexism and whatnot, and not confuse it with what's only supposed to be funny, in a non harming way. |
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Post by Sac (a.k.a Icaras) on Mar 28, 2011 22:10:06 GMT -5
If you watch the trailer for Duke Nukem Forever, you'll see it's extremely unlikely that the game would involve Duke running around physically slapping women in the face or anything like that, as the storyline for the game is that Duke only becomes involved in fighting aliens when they start abducting women.
The trailer seeems to imply that otherwise, Duke would most likely have stayed in strip clubs drinking and minding his own business.
That aside, even the butt slapping isn't anything to be concerned over (IMHO) as it's really just a video game eqivalent to Porkies or American Pie films. Those didn't destroy or damage soceity (Now weather you like the two example films is besides the point) and I doubt Duke will either.
The point of "frat boys" being encourage by games like this? if they're alreayd at the point of treating women like objects, I'd say said frat boys are already too far gone in their ways, DNF or no!
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Post by Malroth on Mar 28, 2011 22:24:37 GMT -5
...Meh.
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