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Post by MRSKELETON on May 11, 2011 16:19:19 GMT -5
the witcher is pretty bad on how the game treats women like objects/achievements for the player
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Post by Ike on May 11, 2011 16:31:21 GMT -5
You wanna elaborate or should we just know what you're talking about?
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Post by derboo on May 11, 2011 21:45:12 GMT -5
IIRC correctly, you get portrait cards as "trophies" after wooing them. No worse than Yakuza, actually (unless you consider seeing virtual women's breasts a sin, then it is a little worse). How about the times that videogames deal with the theme of prejudice well? I thought that Valkyria Chronicles dealt with the prejudice against the darcsens really well, the way it paralleled with the holocaust and especially how it humanised it in Rose's relationship with Isara, who just happen to be two fantastic strong female characters. To a lesser extent there was the friendship in FFX between Wakka and Rikku helping him get over his prejudice of the Al bhed. Well, there's Dragon Age, whose elves are basically fantasy Jews; and Mass Effect, whose quarians are SF gypsies. |
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2011 22:19:47 GMT -5
I'd say the elves are more like black people. It's been a much longer time since Jewish people were slaves.
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Post by Warchief Onyx on May 11, 2011 23:11:19 GMT -5
I'd say the City Elves have a ton in common with Middle Ages/Renaissance European Jews: not exactly slaves but treated like third class citizens and sectioned off to ghettos of large cities.
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Post by munchy on May 11, 2011 23:49:13 GMT -5
Well, there's God Hand, but that game was entirely for lols, so it's more parody than anything. (I was pretty sad that Gold and Silver didn't have a second battle though.)
Someone already mentioned Square's Tom Sawyer, and that's pretty much the cream of the crop as far as this topic goes. I got nothin'.
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Post by akumajobelmont on May 12, 2011 4:39:30 GMT -5
Nice insight, akumajobelmont. I enjoyed reading your view on things. It's honestly a perspective I've rarely heard outside of a few people. I had two gay roommates in college and they would say a lot of similar things. It's kinda cool to see someone analyze the culture of that kind of social sect from within and kinda from outside. Neat stuff. Wow, thanks! I figured my experiences out in the wide world, and especially having been a part of that culture for some of my most influential years, would come in handy one day  I like a lot of AkumaJoBelmont's points. But try to bear in mind that when I'm observing the validity of many (not all) aspects of stereotypes this might be based on observation, but it doesn't mean I don't believe there are exceptions or that, in fact, the aspect can be applied broadly. I'm only saying that I can 'see' where many stereotype descriptors come from. Of course not all Aussies like beer. Of course not all gay men are limp-wristed. I'm not even trying to nuance it with most Aussies like beer or MOST gay men are swishy. I'm saying that by my observation, we can see where MANY of the stereotype traits are derived and try not to be afraid of them or talking about them. If people would be honest, we can all name unhappy stereotype traits that we see manifested. AkumaJo actually described why this trait has come about in young gay males he's observed. I'm sure I've run across gay men that didn't appear swishy either, but then... how would I have known? If they were so butch that my gaydar didn't go off, then I'm unknowingly leaving them off my sample list! ... I'm know whatever my observations (and honesty) that no generalities can just be applied globally to a group of people. Please don't confuse my saying a perception is understandable from my saying it is fair or correct. No, I completely understand. All your points are valid, and all the more because they are from your point of view. You've obviously taken the time to analyze what you've found and observed over time. Which is fantastic Just thought I'd add my 2 cents... add in my pieces to the puzzle |
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Post by shelverton on May 12, 2011 10:31:49 GMT -5
Did anyone mention Birdo from Super Mario Bros 2? The manual clearly states that Birdo is a man who believes he's a girl. That explanation would probably not go down well with transgender community today. You don't "believe" you are a gender - You ARE the gender you feel inside your heart. (I do think Birdo is a funny character though, because of Nintendo's weird description, but I couldn't see something like that slip through today)
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2011 12:04:41 GMT -5
It also contradicts the Super Mario Bros Super Show, where they showed Birdo to clearly be a woman. Did you think we wouldn't do the math, Nintendo?
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Post by wyrdwad on May 12, 2011 12:36:04 GMT -5
It also contradicts with Captain Rainbow (sort of?), where Birdo is being held in a jail cell for having used the women's room, and you have to prove she's a she by... erm... finding her dildo and showing it to the cop.
I am not joking.
I say "sort of," though, because... well... is that really valid proof that someone is female? (: I think that may be part of the joke there.
Either way, I think Birdo is actually a counterexample of sexism in video games, as s/he is pretty much just... a unique character, defying all gender stereotypes in very esoteric-yet-extreme ways.
-Tom
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2011 12:53:15 GMT -5
Feels more like Nintendo's version of Poison to me, but you might be right.
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Post by munchy on May 12, 2011 13:32:11 GMT -5
Just thought of a few. Castlevania, specifically the PS2 ones. My sister, watching me play them, brought up a pretty good point - that the deaths of the women in those games are treated merely as tools to provoke the protagonists. In a way, Rosalie/Sara are treated not only as typical damsels in distress, but more like damaged goods.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2011 13:50:43 GMT -5
Just thought of a few. Castlevania, specifically the PS2 ones. My sister, watching me play them, brought up a pretty good point - that the deaths of the women in those games are treated merely as tools to provoke the protagonists. In a way, Rosalie/Sara are treated not only as typical damsels in distress, but more like damaged goods. THANK YOU. I know that most people don't play for story, but that shit always really annoyed me in the PS2 Castlevanias. |
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Post by jongoo on May 12, 2011 14:03:53 GMT -5
With all this talk of gay stereotypes, I was reminded of that scene from Boondock Saints where Willem Defoe tells his lover, "you're such a friend!" Lol. (Of course, the guy was filipino.)
I think the thing with stereotypes is that they're half-true, if you guys know what I mean. And I think that's where a lot of problems arise, and it's just something we have to live with, especially in the States. Personally, and I'm glad that I see some of you agree, I think it's cool that we can poke fun and make jokes about what can be very sensitive for some. You can't take yourself too seriously, at least not all the time.
I have a buddy that works at a liquor store in Compton. Now he can go on and on about how blacks and latinos are animals in langauge that I'm sure would get me banned here. Now I've been there myself a couple times and I see where he's comin from. Personally, in my limited experience, most of the blacks and latinos I've known were good people. Him, on the other hand, obviously different story. Sure, he's seeing a certain portion, but he sees it so much, I think it just carries over to how he views everything. And honestly, I don't blame him. Point is, I believe people can be racist and not be a bad person as crazy as that may sound. I myself hold views that I'm sure a lot of you would think are inherently racist. One thing I try to do though is judge people as individuals in spite of my views.
Still, if I were to, say, see a guy ridin an all chrome tricycle with huge hundred spoke wheels and a stereo, and he was sippin on some purple drank while doing so...I'd probably say, "only a [black guy]." Regardless of what skin color he is! Lol. But again, I wouldn't rule him out from being a good person. He may look ignant, but I wouldn't rule out that he could be really smart either. I've been fooled before.
That's what America should be about IMO. We should be free to hold ANY view (racist, sexist, homophobic or otherwise) and practice ANYTHING so long as we don't harm others. I know it can't really happen when the majority almost always dictates what's harmful, even when a sizable minority vehemently disagrees, but still, it's an ideal that should always be kept in mind. It can be very contradictory at times (racism in all forms (workplace, media, etc.) can be (extremely) damaging) but I feel that one of the foundations of this country (US) is kinda getting lost in all this PC nonsense. In my friend's case, his "cynicism" may have helped prevent problems at his store. We need more freedom, not more PC. I'll admit, I'm a bit homophobic but let gays marry, shit, how does that harm me? So long as I get to freely voice my opinions (oh yeah, I got a lot more but I'll shut it.)
Oh yeah, video games...uhh nothing too offensive from what I've seen. Lots of goofy stereotypes but nothing to get too worked up over (Maybe because I'm Korean, and I mainly play Japanese games, and that I like my videogame women sexy?). I am curious about this Tom Sawyer game though.
Oh and Zangief is gay. In the SSFIV strategy guide, and I qoute: "Dislikes: Hadokens and other projectile attacks, beautiful young women" (Terrible strategy guide, it says you can FADC into super...)
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Post by kitten on May 12, 2011 14:20:47 GMT -5
this fucking thread
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