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Post by zellsf on Aug 17, 2011 11:25:11 GMT -5
There's no disadvantages to unlocking a device with locked down software and lots of advantages. It has nothing to do with piracy, most people would want a better product.
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Post by hidetoshidecide on Aug 17, 2011 11:39:58 GMT -5
Yes. I hacked my PSP and have enjoyed it much more for it. I don't have any idea how to pirate current gen games and wouldn't want to anyway, as I've basically played all the PSP games that appeal to me, anyway. For me it's a portable emulator/Cave Story machine.
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Post by Ike on Aug 17, 2011 11:58:27 GMT -5
I don't see how it doesn't have anything to do with piracy. I'd wager a bet that for the vast majority of people who do 'unlock' their systems that they do not in any way pay for at least one or more of the games they play on the system.
Not to turn this into a discussion on piracy, but I think you've missed the point of what I'm saying. Out of the box, the system was not intended to play games other than those downloaded via the PSN. Whether or not you can 'unlock' the system to do otherwise is irrelevant. The Go, at the time of its launch, was $249.99 at retail, as much as a Wii at its own launch, and considerably more than the newest model of standard PSP that was out even at its own launch.
Aside from the slick hardware redesign, the system is virtually unchanged from its standard model equivalent. In fact, almost all of the changes are inferior to the cheaper alternative. The screen is smaller; the selection of games is more limited (again, we're only considering legitimately purchased games from the PSN's PSP library); if you already owned a standard PSP, none of your hard copy games or movies will work for it; the hardware is considerably flimsier; the buttons are extremely recessed into the console; the already tiny thumbstick is made even smaller and is put an an awkward position. You're paying so much more for a great deal of reduced functionality. The only way I can see the Go being the superior choice is if you hadn't already owned a PSP. But Sony's advertising of the thing gets kinda sketchy at this point because it's hard to tell quite who the Go is supposed to be targeted to. I kind of got the idea that it was being advertised as an upgrade to the standard PSP owners (which it isn't) but also that it was supposed to be for people who had not owned a PSP (which it really isn't, because there's a cheaper alternative that does all the same stuff and then some and is not substantially different from the advertised product; not to mention a used market already awash with 3 other models of PSP at varying degrees of price, all of them 50% or less of what the PSP Go was selling at for retail at the time of its launch.)
Take this in contrast with this wireless-less PSP, which again I say really should have been what the Go was in the first place, which is retailing new at a lower price than what most PSP-3000s go for used (I don't know what 99 euros translates to in USD but it probably isn't much more than 100 dollars, if at all.) Like the Go, it lacks the disc drive, and also the wi-fi, but at this price point it's much more digestible than the Go. The vast majority of PSP games are single player anyway and even the Go and the 3000 have pretty mediocre wi-fi capabilities so I personally at least find this to not be a very big loss for the price. Yeah, you miss out on the best parts of Monster Hunter, but obviously this isn't targeted at those consumers.
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Post by acidonia on Aug 17, 2011 12:10:40 GMT -5
Odd Idea but makes some sence at least. Nintendo are selling in Europe a Slim Wii model in a few months though this model lacks Gamecube games and it's Controler Support. Hop[e this does not mean Wii U will not be able to to play Game Cube Games
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Post by hidetoshidecide on Aug 17, 2011 12:10:54 GMT -5
I agree that the Go was poorly conceived and over priced, although the price is really no longer a concern. Gos can be had for cheap these days. They are cheaper than a 3000 at Gamestop if you buy used.
As for the issue of hacking it, since it's possible to do that and wring a lot of additional functionality out of the device, I don't see why you wouldn't consider it.
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Post by zellsf on Aug 17, 2011 12:13:53 GMT -5
Since I hate being accused of missing a point when I don't: Yes, I get that this is irrelevant to you.
It is however relevant to most people, and if you don't want to get into a discussion about piracy, not mentioning it in the first place helps (a bit late advice, I know...).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2011 16:03:15 GMT -5
I don't particularly want to hack any of my systems, actually. I don't see why people count homebrew capabilities as something that a product should be lauded for when in reality it's being modified to do something that it wasn't designed to do by the consumer. Speaking strictly out of the box, the Go is really a pretty shitty product. The vast majority of the market are not pirates and do not modify their systems in the way you describe I should "want" to. For the average consumer and people like myself who prefer not to pirate games and prefer hard copies of the games they buy, the Go is a PSP with its balls cut off. Fucking A. The truth has been spoken. |
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Post by LouieBee on Aug 17, 2011 16:57:09 GMT -5
I couldn't care less about wifi when the machine has more fundamental faults, like UMD errors and dead pixels, that need fixing.
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Post by Ike on Aug 17, 2011 16:58:58 GMT -5
Well, UMD errors are generally a problem with the disc rather than the machine itself, and this wifi-less model has no UMD drive, so there's that. Dead pixels however do need to be fixed.
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Post by 9inchsamurai on Aug 17, 2011 17:04:47 GMT -5
I don't see how it doesn't have anything to do with piracy. I'd wager a bet that for the vast majority of people who do 'unlock' their systems that they do not in any way pay for at least one or more of the games they play on the system. While it's true that the majority of the PSP games I played in the past I didn't pay for, recently I've started going legitimate and having a homebrew-capable PSP is still really damn handy. For every UMD game I purchase now, I can easily rip the ISO from the disc, compress it if I want to save space, and throw it on my 8GB Memory Stick which can hold like 8 PSP games at least. Being able to do that alone is worth hacking a PSP. I can also do cool things like rip the ISOs of my PSX collection, convert them to play on my PSP, and transfer save data from my memory cards to my PSP. If I were completely "legitimate" I would not be able to do that unless I bought a game I already own from the PSN. Granted, none of this is an argument for the GO or the new model, which I don't really care for at all. Without a disc drive, I wouldn't be able to do awesome thing #1, so that's a real bummer. |
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Post by zellsf on Aug 17, 2011 17:52:00 GMT -5
Well, UMD errors are generally a problem with the disc rather than the machine itself, and this wifi-less model has no UMD drive, so there's that. Dead pixels however do need to be fixed. Uh, it has a UMD drive, unless the pictures are lying (which *could* be the case with them being being early promotional pictures, but I doubt it). Dead pixels is an inherit risk with LCD technology, can't be fixed. |
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Post by Feynman on Aug 17, 2011 18:29:09 GMT -5
Well, UMD errors are generally a problem with the disc rather than the machine itself, and this wifi-less model has no UMD drive, so there's that. Dead pixels however do need to be fixed. I'm pretty sure this new model has a UMD drive. A PSP without WiFi or UMD would be the least convenient gaming system ever. |
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Post by Ike on Aug 17, 2011 19:05:08 GMT -5
You're right, it does seem to have a UMD drive. I'm pretty sure Kotaku said that it didn't, but Kotaku is also a piece of shit. It looks like the entire back panel opens up. kotaku.com/5831405/sony-launching-a-new-wi+fi+less-psp-for-99-[update-europe-only]Idiots. So yeah this just reinforces that the Go is in fact a piece of shit and should have been this. I had assumed if it didn't run UMDs that you could hook it up to a PS3 or computer like someone mentioned earlier and purchase games that way. This makes a lot more sense. |
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Post by Feynman on Aug 17, 2011 19:26:42 GMT -5
Yeah, this UMD-only model makes a helluva lot more sense than the digital-only Go. There are ways to buy and install digital exclusive software without WiFi, such as the Media Go software, or PSP to PS3 connectivity. However, there is no (practical and non-hacky) way to play UMD exclusive software without a disc drive.
Cutting off access to a substantial portion of software by removing the UMD drive on the Go was dumb as hell. This new model is a much better idea.
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Post by kyouki on Aug 17, 2011 19:27:34 GMT -5
I think the concept of a small and drive-less PSP meant to play games off of PSN is a great idea, but it was just too expensive. Instead of this weird wireless-less thing, they should have waited until now to release the Go, at like $150 or something. If you can find one, Gamestop sells used ones for around $100. Might have been $110, I forget. Thanks for the heads up, but there are no Gamestops in my country.  I looked for a used Go here but they cost more than I was willing to spend. Maybe around $170? |
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