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Post by Sketcz-1000 on Sept 14, 2011 2:50:28 GMT -5
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Post by Discoalucard on Sept 14, 2011 12:35:00 GMT -5
Pretty neat. I'm going to go back to this (and Oasis) to add some MP3s, so I'll stick this in too. Was there any staff crossover?
Before this I had no idea Greg Johnson was the same guy who had worked on Starflight and Star Control. Also pretty neat.
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Post by Sketcz-1000 on Sept 14, 2011 12:40:28 GMT -5
I don't think so, from what I can tell Son of MULE on the MD/Genny was all Dani Bunten. There's a bit of info on the World of MULE page, but not much, since the game was never released. I don't think it was leaked either.
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Post by acidonia on Sept 14, 2011 13:02:13 GMT -5
The first game was ment to be geting a XBLA port for the 20th Genesis anivserary but it never happend along with all the titles you could vote for on that poll. Earthworm Jim came first but dint get picked because of the HD remake out that year Toe Jam and Earl was 2nd place.
The games are on the recent Megadrive collection for PC and Steam though.
Im sure they was a homage to the series in that gba.ds and Wii Music series made by the creators of Wario Ware that I can't rember the name of at the moment.
In the early 90s Sega World in London had a ares of it named after Toe Jam and Earl.
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Post by derboo on Sept 14, 2011 14:08:04 GMT -5
The first game was ment to be geting a XBLA port for the 20th Genesis anivserary but it never happend along with all the titles you could vote for on that poll. Earthworm Jim came first but dint get picked because of the HD remake out that year Toe Jam and Earl was 2nd place. So they had a poll of what to put in, but they used neither the winner nor the runner-up? What exactly did they make the poll for? To systematically piss people off?
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Post by Snarboo on Sept 15, 2011 8:17:38 GMT -5
There are some formatting issues with the article: - The title of the second game, Panic on Funkotron, appears right under the additional screenshots sections of the first game.
- The bottom two screenshots are improperly labeled as being from Panic on Funkotron.
This is a great article! I have fond memories of renting and beating the first two games. I always wanted to give the third game a try but it looks dreadful, so I guess I was spared.
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Post by X-pert74 on Sept 18, 2011 17:08:58 GMT -5
Reading the article now; this line has an error in it: "Toejam's the red, three-legged red alien" One of those reds does not belong
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Post by Gendo Ikari on Sept 24, 2011 14:52:39 GMT -5
I would have never, ever imagined that a third game had been produced almost a decade after the second! The first is really unique among the games on the Genesis.
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Post by bakudd on Sept 26, 2011 0:11:46 GMT -5
I'd bet you anything there were no "corporate suits" trying to engineer any 'tude into the game. Toejam And Earl III was geared to a black audience, both in humor and in character design and it catered to, for lack of a better word, ghetto sensibilities (or African American, if you want to be PC about it.) The characters are supposed to be black. I remember reading in an interview that Johnson & Voorsanger were part black themselves so with TJ&E III they wanted to better reach that market, and I'd say they did a good job on that front, although it's not personally to my taste. If you look at, for example, each character's mannerisms, or the overall way the game pokes fun at the white middle class, and you've spent enough time around different American social classes, you would pick up on these cues quite easily. This same design philosophy was in the previous 2 games too but not to the same extent. One thing that the men in suits did manufacture was the tedious collect a thon gameplay. According to the interview it was supposed to be a remake of the first game until some exec specifically decided it should be patterned after Donkey Kong 64. Maybe you could mention that in the article.
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Post by derboo on Sept 26, 2011 0:34:03 GMT -5
Where did you read that interview? Do you have a link?
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Post by Discoalucard on Sept 26, 2011 9:22:28 GMT -5
The characters are supposed to be black. I remember reading in an interview that Johnson & Voorsanger were part black themselves so with TJ&E III they wanted to better reach that market, and I'd say they did a good job on that front, although it's not personally to my taste. I remember that interview...it must've been in some magazine I was reading in college when this came out, so it was either EGM or Game Informer. The submitted article speculated that the humor was due to corporate interference, but remember that hazy bit of the interview, I removed it, because I think that was on the part of the developers. I don't remember the bit about shoehorning collectibles, though. Are there any online archives that have EGMs/Game Informers online from around 2002?
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Post by Sketcz-1000 on Sept 26, 2011 16:11:59 GMT -5
The EGM review for TJ3 was in issue 161, December 2002. I've got around 6 or 7 issues of EGM from 2002, but JESUS, if this isn't a difficult to navigate magazine. I've gotten so used to GamesTM it's almost impossible to read through old EGM.
I'll leaf through and see what I can find.
EDIT: EGM preview in issue 159, October 2002. Has some quotes from Johnson, but nothing substantial. Not seen a proper interview yet, though I may have missed it.
Damn EGM was poorly laid out - apart from the fact that 60% of the mag appears to be ads, they put stickers, fold-out ads, cardboard ads, and all kinds of other crap which forces the magazine to open at specific areas, which effectively swallows up the pages in-between. I'm discovering stuff I never even saw when I was reading the mag.
EDIT 2: Hmm, couldn't find anything. But if anyone finds an issue number I can have another root through the boxes.
I'm sure the guys at Sega-16 probably scans of old interviews, they have everything Genesis related on tap.
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Post by Bobinator on Sept 27, 2011 21:48:31 GMT -5
I'm afraid I've never seen anything on the interview you're talking about, so I wouldn't really know either way. I guess the possibility that the decision to make the game more 'African American' was from Johnson and Voorsanger was equally possible, to be honest. Although, until I get some real written proof that says so, I can't really say anything one way or the other.
The thing that seperates T&E1 from T&E3 for me is that while both games had 'urban' themes, the first game seemed to be more like it was gently mocking that kind of thing. T&E3, however, felt like it was taking those themes as seriously as it could, and it felt like a very different game because of that.
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Post by bakudd on Oct 16, 2011 23:31:51 GMT -5
I dont have a link sorry. I read the interview on the Wayback Machine but I dont remember how I got there. I'm afraid I've never seen anything on the interview you're talking about, so I wouldn't really know either way. I guess the possibility that the decision to make the game more 'African American' was from Johnson and Voorsanger was equally possible, to be honest. Although, until I get some real written proof that says so, I can't really say anything one way or the other. The thing that seperates T&E1 from T&E3 for me is that while both games had 'urban' themes, the first game seemed to be more like it was gently mocking that kind of thing. T&E3, however, felt like it was taking those themes as seriously as it could, and it felt like a very different game because of that. I thought they were pretty much identical in terms of humor. In TJ&E III there were a lot more gags of course. I dunno it's pretty obvious to me what they were going for.
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