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Post by dartagnan1803 on Aug 21, 2006 17:11:05 GMT -5
Super Cv-IV overrated? Maby 5-10 years ago, but how many castlevania fans do you see raiting it as there nr 1 theese days? I see it a lot. But quite a few of them haven't played it in years (and admit to it). which is partially why I find it to be overrated. I personally find it to be 2nd weakest title in the series (the weakest being Haunted Castle) for muddy graphics, weak music (compared to other renditions), finicky limpwhip, meh. . .bossfights, and slow plodding pace. Don't accuse me of not playing enough vanias, cuz the only ones I HAVEN'T played are; legends, 64, Legacy of darkness, and the MSX/Cv Chronicles. I always figured that it was treated as #1 since Drac X (either version) is too rare, and that the SNES is virtually treated like Jesus. I honestly had to force myself to beat it. I still don't like it. it's just the way I feel
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Post by neg on Aug 21, 2006 21:16:45 GMT -5
I'm not the biggest fan of either Super Castlevania IV or the SNES Dracula X, but I'd say the former is a little better. Dracula X was just too cheap...even on level 2, they have those spear guards taking you out quickly (even having Bloody Tears playing doesn't help things much).
I guess a lot of the appeal of older games for me comes from how quickly you can jump in and play them. Don't get me wrong, I like a lot of new games too, but you often have to have a considerable time investment in them to even get anywhere (RPG's being the main culprit for me, but even action games these days are getting very complex). I like older games in that you can just start playing them in a matter of seconds. At most, you usually have a few screens of text or something describing what you need to do. By the time you finally reach a point in some newer games where you can actually start playing the game, you've already passed some sections of older games. Of course, I'm generalizing here a bit (some pre-Playstation games can be pretty complex and time-consuming too), but I don't think too many people would disagree with my assessment.
Another factor for me in choosing older games over newer ones is the cost. New games just cost a lot of money, even when used, and as a student, I don't have a lot of money to spend. Playing older games lets me have fun on a budget.
Some older games for me aren't that good, to be honest...I know I don't like a lot of titles on the 2600 or the like (too simple or bad for me), and let's face it, many NES games were dogs. I suppose nostalgia is a good reason for why people in general like older games over newer ones (and I'll admit that nostalgia has influenced my game playing patterns a little bit), but the reasons I listed above are coming from my own personal experiences. I certainly don't eschew newer games, and I do enjoy playing them when I have the time. It's just, well...hard to find that time in my life now.
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Post by klatrymadon on Aug 22, 2006 4:48:21 GMT -5
GET OUT! Fair enough - the recurring tracks tend to be better in their first forms, but for me the original music composed for CV4 is lightyears ahead of everything else in the series in terms of the consistency of its direction, how it manages to be sublimely experimental whilst maintaining this focus, and how it's used for dramatic effect. Many of them also manage to be catchy, and they all apply pedal extremities to hindquarters. ;D The only problem I have with my fellow CV4 zealots is that they all too often weaken their own arguments by saying something like "the 8-directional whipping is awesome!" (or, indeed, implying that they haven't played it recently). It was alright, but it's not as if it wildly altered the dynamics of the gameplay, and qualities like this play second fiddle to the game's ethereal, darkly pompous atmosphere and music. The only worthwhile criticisms I've ever heard against it are that it's a bit on the easy side, and perhaps that it's a bit of a slow starter (although I personally enjoy the first few levels as much as the rest).
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Post by megatronbison on Aug 22, 2006 7:15:29 GMT -5
Man I love Castlevania IV mainly because of its music and certain encounters near the end of the game. Bar the first level I think the game doesn't heat up until the last few levels of Draculas Castle where it manages to have a brilliant atmosphere without any dramatic camera angles or cut scenes. I still wouldn't say it's the best of the series, but hey, I am yet to play a 2d one I have found inferior to the 3d games. Oh and to tie in with the people preferring older games? Well some people prefer older movies and anime too- heres why I think this is: I would say its mainly because the stuff I was exposed to first was the Spectrum generation onwards. I grew up with the NES, grew older with the SNES and then reluctantly jumped on the Sony ship for FF7 alone. I think the reason I prefer the older stuff (esp. the SNES games) is that every genre hadn't been as worn to death in my head then as it has now. Its not very often that I see a new game these days that does anything new (or in some cases- exceutes a new idea competantly). Towards the end of the SNES's life span there were a lot of classics released which modern games these days even borrow ideas from and ape. Yeah they may look better and such but often you can't escape the fact that it is essentially an old idea tarted up for a new generation. For people from this generation of gaming it may be an incredible idea, but for the older generation of gamers it isn't quite as exciting. Thats how I feel about it anyways - I am sure some people will tear my theory to shreds in a second or two Like with the silver screen- most modern movies are perhaps flashier- but dull retreads of something that has been done before (frequently better) bar a few notable exceptions to this. I'd like to point out that I am not some sort of 2d fan boy however, some of my favourite games are 3d: Pikmin, The Misadventures of Tron Bonne, Metal Gear Solid, Resident Evil 4 etc... All 3d and all untouchable in my eyes...
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Post by klatrymadon on Aug 22, 2006 12:19:09 GMT -5
Aye, imagination in 3D games is another big stumbling block. I'll probably never make the leap to 'next gen' in earnest until I start seeing games that are proud to be subversively 'OTT', 'cheesy' or whatever derogatory label boring kids give to anything with a sense of grandeur these days. I want to see things as impressive and memorable as Axelay's and Contra III's bosses, challenge on par with the GnG series (though not necessarily grounded in rote memorization), and maybe, one day, a game that feels like it has learnt something from Super Metroid.
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Post by jameseightbitstar on Aug 23, 2006 13:25:06 GMT -5
Well, now here's a take of my own.
Sometimes I like to just hunt for old games, to discover them. It makes me feel like an archeologist when I dig up a forgotten game at the local pawn shop or at flea markets (I used to be the same way with cartoons and movies too, before DVD came along and made most of it commonplace... but there's still a lot of worthwhile stuff that has been forgotten).
Another spin I've seen on it is that some people, me included, just get sick of hearing about the popular stuff all the time. Often there's a very valid reason for this--popular stuff gets discussed so much that you can know the whole plot without ever seeing, playing, or reading a bit of it. Case in point: How many people know that Darth Vader is Luke's father? Or Evangelion... it's virtually impossible to watch that show and not have already heard half the theories and explanations, which takes a lot of the fun out of it.
On the other hand, unless you're an avid FAQ reader or the show/game in question is very predictable, the many surprises left in older shows or games will feel fresh and unexpected, and make the end result more enjoyable.
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Post by MRSKELETON on Aug 23, 2006 16:57:59 GMT -5
I kind of like older games for the concepts really. Katamari Damacy is a fine example of an older concept? I mean would a game like "kick Master" Actually be played today? Certainly not. Bring back horrible ideas with good execution!
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Post by johnh on Aug 25, 2006 3:36:22 GMT -5
To me, it is obvious.
I still play older games because genres weren't so set in stone back then, and there were fewer sacred cows concerning game design, so there was much greater variety of gameplay. This is also a big reason why some people hate older games: they don't fit their limited notion of what a video game is supposed to be.
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Post by jameseightbitstar on Aug 25, 2006 7:54:59 GMT -5
Ain't that the truth!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2006 18:32:26 GMT -5
Ain't that the truth! Amen.
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Post by Malroth on Aug 27, 2006 0:14:06 GMT -5
CV IV Death was absolute hell for me.
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Post by megatronbison on Aug 27, 2006 7:31:39 GMT -5
CV IV Death was absolute hell for me. He isn't as bad as the original Castlevanias Death imo. The Rondo of Blood one comparitively is weaker than a day old kitten however!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2006 7:40:41 GMT -5
CV IV Death was absolute hell for me. He isn't as bad as the original Castlevanias Death imo. The Rondo of Blood one comparitively is weaker than a day old kitten however! If ya ask me, Death's hard in all three of those games. I can't tell you how many times death fought me on the Ghost Ship's mass and knocked me into the ocean with a stalwart swipe of his scythe. Bastid. If you want a pussy Death, Symphony of the Night definitely qualifies. He has some powerful attacks, but you meet him so late in the game that you can obliterate him with whatever powerful weapons you have in stock. His second form is even weaker than his first... too bad, since it's pretty cool-lookin'.
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Post by megatronbison on Aug 27, 2006 7:57:54 GMT -5
He isn't as bad as the original Castlevanias Death imo. The Rondo of Blood one comparitively is weaker than a day old kitten however! If ya ask me, Death's hard in all three of those games. I can't tell you how many times death fought me on the Ghost Ship's mass and knocked me into the ocean with a stalwart swipe of his scythe. Bastid. If you want a pussy Death, Symphony of the Night definitely qualifies. He has some powerful attacks, but you meet him so late in the game that you can obliterate him with whatever powerful weapons you have in stock. His second form is even weaker than his first... too bad, since it's pretty cool-lookin'. I'll agree with you on that, he looks pretty awesome (much like Olrox's second form) but is super weak Mind you, a ring of varda or the Crissaegram makes this game one of the easiest Castlevania games ever!
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Post by Shinigami on Aug 27, 2006 14:22:45 GMT -5
That and after a while the enemies start to deal just 1 point of damage to you.
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