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Post by Bloodreign on Sept 2, 2006 5:04:52 GMT -5
A list like that and The Adventures of Rocky and Bullwinkle wasn't included? I think I'm the only person to even mention that horrible game (all incarnations) throughout the topic.
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Post by ed on Sept 3, 2006 3:38:03 GMT -5
Mmff...I'll have to play that title again. I think it's better than Dash Galaxy, a game that I don't consider to be one of the worst...well, maybe I DO. But still, that's a good point - you'd think more people would be on top of the worst-of-NES goings on.
Head On and Hero in the Castle of Doom would count, but they're old. Although Hero is from '84. I guess its excuse is that many units were sold as a DK conversion (why you'd want to convert a DK to this pile of shit is beyond me, but anyhow). And those are just two games under H that are close to each other in MAME. Scary.
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Post by Scylla on Sept 3, 2006 23:13:38 GMT -5
Considering the pretty poor turn out, it's not surprising if there are some sorely missing bad games since it really wouldn't be right for people to vote for games they haven't played just because all they hear is negative stuff about them. This, however, can also result in the problem of people voting for games that are actually quite good just because they avoid playing any exceptionally bad games. I mean, I think Chrono Cross is pretty damn dull and has a horrible convoluted story, but one of the worst games ever? Nah, not even close. There are a lot of popular games that I don't care for much at all, like Final Fantasy VII and Phantasy Star II, but you'd never see me putting them on the same list as complete trash like Bubsy 3D.
As for Sewer Shark, I was one of the people who voted for it. I wouldn't say it's better than the other FMV games of the era, but even if it was, that wouldn't be saying much. The difference in quality between those games is negligible since they're all pretty atrocious. Except for Road Avenger, at least; that one rocks. :)
A couple of my choices have already been eliminated, I believe. Bad Dudes on NES was one, and while I can't judge the arcade game, I fail to see how anyone can find anything redeeming about the NES game. I think people just have some unfounded love for Bad Dudes because of the cheesy intro and the hamburger ending. Actually playing that sloppy mess is a miserable experience. The other game eliminated was Adventures in the Magic Kingdom, which was pretty low on my list of 20 so I kinda started grasping at straws. I actually don't remember much about it. o_O Just that I thought it really stunk.
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Post by sainttweeter on Sept 3, 2006 23:19:06 GMT -5
"Sorrry this board currently broken"? :\
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Post by vysetd on Sept 4, 2006 0:08:11 GMT -5
The list probably stems from some of the more casual, mainstream gamers, so it's no big surprise that they nominate a lot of popular games believing them to be truly terrible. Most of those gamers would think twice if they ever had to stomach truly awful games like Sega Genesis' Warpspeed and Dark Castle, Nes' Heroes of the Lance, SNES' ESPN Speed World or Rise of the Robots, Pit Fighter, etc. It's almost beyond the point of mere opinion in most of the aforementioned games' case.
I understand why Actraiser 2 gets slammed, but it is something I am not obligated to agree with. A2 is a excellent game and it's only real fault is difficulty, which turns a lot of gamers off (even though it's up my alley...I've been warned about being too good at certain games)...and no sim...but at any rate, it's far from any worst game list, even if we are talking out of 1,000. I could probably mention 1,000 horrible games, but it would be a long and boring project ;D
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Post by Scylla on Sept 4, 2006 2:22:12 GMT -5
Actually, if I remember correctly, I think Heroes of the Lance was one of the first games to get so many negative votes that it's permanently on the worst game list now.
I don't know if I'd call Digital Press casual or mainstream gamers. I mean, sure, most of them completely stay away from imports, and a lot of them seem to play more newer stuff than old stuff; but regardless, it's definitely a site of collectors, so they own and have had exposure to TONS of games, unlike ordinary gamers who may try to only purchase stuff that they really want to play and thus avoid most bad games.
I know that as for myself most of the bad games I've played were not games that I actually expected to be good. In fact, some I had already heard lots of horrible things about, but because I like to collect games and had a masochistic desire to try them, I've bought lots of lame games that were real cheap.
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Post by Neo Rasa on Sept 4, 2006 3:02:24 GMT -5
Bad Dudes on NES was one, and while I can't judge the arcade game, I fail to see how anyone can find anything redeeming about the NES game. I think people just have some unfounded love for Bad Dudes because of the cheesy intro and the hamburger ending. Actually playing that sloppy mess is a miserable experience. It is a pretty poorly executed port that has not aged well at all. At the time though, just the fact that the graphics and sound AT ALL resembled the arcade version (even though the final product is super mediocre on the NES) was a revelation. It's popularity was always with the arcade game though, a lot of the people who talk it up today I doubt ever played either version (there were some misc. PC ports too but they're not worth talking about). Ideally they should have gone the SNK/Capcom/Konami route and remade it from the ground up with levels and gameplay that would work better with the hardware (Iron Tank, Contra, etc.). Critical reponse to the NES port was mixed even when it was new. I remember it was covered in one of Jeff Rovin's "How to Win at Nintendo Games" books. It was there due to mass popularity but he didn't have anything really good to say about it.
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Post by Neo Rasa on Sept 4, 2006 3:08:51 GMT -5
I wouldn't call the Digital Press forum populace mainstream by any means either, but there are a lot of people there who wake up one morning, decide to collect for _____ system, and pick up half the library off Ebay over the course of one week without really getting into any of the games. A lot of the choices on the list that we disagree with are there specifically because of lack of exposure and the reason I mentioned earlier (I don't like RPGs therefore _____ popular RPG is awful). Already set-in internet perception had a huge affect on it too (like Actraiser 2 as an example, I seriously doubt anyone who voted for it actually made any serious attempt to play it, just dismissed it because it was a pure action game).
So many parenthesese!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2006 7:27:49 GMT -5
I understand why Actraiser 2 gets slammed, but it is something I am not obligated to agree with. A2 is a excellent game and it's only real fault is difficulty, which turns a lot of gamers off (even though it's up my alley...I've been warned about being too good at certain games)...and no sim...but at any rate, it's far from any worst game list, even if we are talking out of 1,000. I could probably mention 1,000 horrible games, but it would be a long and boring project ;D I do concur. A2 could have been a potentially good project if it were something new altogether. But as the sequel to Actraiser, one of the grandest games to ever exist in the history of the SNES? Welp... the expectations of many were brought down. However, I still think it's a good game, if not just because of the A. Cool level designs, and 2. The awesomer boss designs!
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Post by Neo Rasa on Sept 4, 2006 12:33:51 GMT -5
The boss order is kind of interesting in Actraiser 2. There's two action scenes in each "area" (like in the original). In the original you fight some agent of the Tanzara or some other possessed thing at the end of the first, and then an actual demon of some kind in the second. Actraiser 2 would have you fighting the actual demon first in two cases (Modero and Benefic) and then "mopping up" afterwards, taking out all the controlled remnants of Tanzara's army. Then you'd fight some hugely mutated creature. It was awesome.
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Post by vysetd on Sept 5, 2006 0:52:23 GMT -5
Okay, I'll admit calling some of the people mainstream is a subjective matter, but sometimes I just have to wonder......
I'm glad people here see A2 differently though.
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Post by steven on Sept 5, 2006 5:08:00 GMT -5
I don't know if I'd call Digital Press casual or mainstream gamers. I mean, sure, most of them completely stay away from imports, and a lot of them seem to play more newer stuff than old stuff; but regardless, it's definitely a site of collectors, so they own and have had exposure to TONS of games, unlike ordinary gamers who may try to only purchase stuff that they really want to play and thus avoid most bad games. I agree with this. I personally view DP as the collector/diehard gamer site (and also a lot of nostalgia, since their Classic Gaming board usually has some good topics to read up on a daily basis). If anything, I view NG.com as a casual user's gaming board. Ironic, no, considering it's Neo Geo? But I'm talking about the posters who no longer seem to care about discussing games deeply, instead focusing on weird useless posts and drama... just check out their war room... that war room forum is a joke and waste of bandwidth. (I still like the boards though, and check in daily... but I definitely don't go there first if I feel like making a post about a game from say, 1993.) DP was not working earlier because they're fixing it to move to vBulletin. Not sure when it will be done. It's for the best, but I love the way the site looks right now, just a shame it's down a lot of the times.. so this change was needed eventually, might as well do it now.
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