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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2014 13:41:30 GMT -5
I didnt write the article LoL No, but the way you presented it made it unclear as to whether you were joking or trying to say that I'm the kind of person they're talking about in the article.
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Post by thoothan on Jan 22, 2014 13:53:12 GMT -5
The former
That article is atrocious, just happened to be reading it along with this thread
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Post by Colonel Kurtz on Jan 22, 2014 14:46:02 GMT -5
Is'n't it too late for? Even too late for eulogies? CAPCOM's golden age was the eighties/early nineties to me. After that... Resident Evil 4, and not much else I loved. mmmmhh.
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Post by Colonel Kurtz on Jan 22, 2014 14:54:24 GMT -5
But it does seem like they took away the wrong message from that. I actually have a lot of sympathy for their "hardware isn't everything" argument, and lower specs do not especially bother me. But the market is what it is. Nintendo also seems totally unable or unwilling to effectively court third party developers for their traditional consoles (portable's another story). At a certain point, the Gamecube's lack of real success, and the subsequent release of the wii smacks of the kid who takes his ball home. Unfortunately for them the wii explodes! They are reinforced in their puerile "we're SOO above big graphics; we're just too good for that. No, Nintendo. You're not good enough for that anymore. Twice the pride...
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Post by Allie on Jan 22, 2014 15:02:42 GMT -5
Eh. Their handheld sales give them enough leeway for their consoles to be vanity projects. It happened to work out in their favor for the Wii, not so much with the N64, GCN, or (so far) the Wuu (I'll make that name catch on even if it kills me).
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Post by Yukito on Jan 22, 2014 15:31:18 GMT -5
Meh.
When I first started being able to read on the Internet about games, the big issue was how the excess of 3D games was killing the virtues of 2D games and in 10 years, they'd probably be all but extinct. Then I heard how PC gaming was dying and there wasn't any way to fix it as it lost ground to console gaming. Oh yeah and in Japan around the same time everyone was worried that cellphone gaming would take over portable gaming (sound familiar?) as the new hot thing. A few years later and "casual" games and "non-games" were ruining the industry, and ZOMG! Sony was dead and might pull out of gaming and not even make a PS4. Throughout all this, alongside their classics, Nintendo, Square, Konami and Capcom released a lot of mediocre or terrible games and made a lot of bad decisions. As they did back in the 80s and 90s.
Things ebb and flow. What prospers fades and what fades begins to prosper again. It's just the way things are. Getting so attached to a company that you feel the need to declare them dead to you, as if they had any metaphorical life in the first place, isn't healthy. Let go.
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Post by yause on Jan 22, 2014 15:38:00 GMT -5
Eh. Their handheld sales give them enough leeway for their consoles to be vanity projects. It happened to work out in their favor for the Wii, not so much with the N64, GCN, or (so far) the Wuu (I'll make that name catch on even if it kills me). Nintendo's console business is bleeding too much money to be a vanity project. The problem is that they've always been caught up in the belief that at the end of the day, they can dictate where the mass market goes. While the belief may have wavered during the GameCube era, the Wii and DS removed most doubts, and it's clear that they haven't learned their lesson. The dismissive attitude toward third party developers (3rd party games being filler, core gamers only required as catalysts), foreign trends, smart phone adoption, and hardware/software competitors (no knowledge of PSN or Xbox Live, poor understanding of HD development and online infrastructure) says everything. It's as if Nintendo exists in a bubble where they're the only company in existence. Nintendo is still a great development firm. However, where market power and leadership are concerned, they're losing control of the situation.
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Post by deadguy2322 on Jan 22, 2014 16:45:31 GMT -5
Eh. Their handheld sales give them enough leeway for their consoles to be vanity projects. It happened to work out in their favor for the Wii, not so much with the N64, GCN, or (so far) the Wuu (I'll make that name catch on even if it kills me). With the 3DS not selling as much hardware as the DS, and FAR less software, that is not going to keep them going for as long as you might hope. Nintendo right now is like Blackberry circa 2009. Still going on momentum, but in desperate need of change and a new direction, or they will end up like Blackberry is now, a walking corpse of a company.
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Post by Super Orbus on Jan 22, 2014 16:52:29 GMT -5
I suspect if things got bad enough they'd pull a Sega and jettison the hardware business (or at least the home console business). They could survive as a development house/publisher easy enough.
As long as they don't push things too far and bankrupt the company first. But I think that's still a ways off.
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Post by cambertian on Jan 22, 2014 17:54:13 GMT -5
I suspect if things got bad enough they'd pull a Sega and jettison the hardware business (or at least the home console business). They could survive as a development house/publisher easy enough. As long as they don't push things too far and bankrupt the company first. But I think that's still a ways off. I'd personally rather see Nintendo die than become another SEGA. I do NOT want to play Mario on the same console that plays games like Doom.
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Post by Bobinator on Jan 22, 2014 18:12:27 GMT -5
I suspect if things got bad enough they'd pull a Sega and jettison the hardware business (or at least the home console business). They could survive as a development house/publisher easy enough. As long as they don't push things too far and bankrupt the company first. But I think that's still a ways off. I'd personally rather see Nintendo die than become another SEGA. I do NOT want to play Mario on the same console that plays games like Doom. Well... Although I get the point you're trying to make. Personally, though, I couldn't see Nintendo's stuff ending up other consoles sooner than they'd just exit the industry entirely, neither of which I'd want to see happen.
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Post by Sac (a.k.a Icaras) on Jan 22, 2014 18:38:28 GMT -5
Wow, a 13GB patch? I've downloaded full on MMOs from scratch that weren't that big. Hell, I redownloaded Rift just a few days ago, and that was only around 10GB for the whole game. With a patch of that size, it sounds like they're attemping to punish both retail customers (How DARE you buy it on disc, you scum! We'll force you to download the game) and people that bought it via download (You scum, you downloaded the game and thought you were done? Hell no, download it again...maybe a bit bigger because HAHAHAHA)I guess maybe they expect us to be happy its not on disc?
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Post by Colonel Kurtz on Jan 22, 2014 18:59:38 GMT -5
I'd personally rather see Nintendo die than become another SEGA. I do NOT want to play Mario on the same console that plays games like Doom. Well... Although I get the point you're trying to make. Personally, though, I couldn't see Nintendo's stuff ending up other consoles sooner than they'd just exit the industry entirely, neither of which I'd want to see happen. Meh. You will get some mild cognitive dissonance for the first six months. (Waaa? Sonic on Ni8ntendo, wah wah... it's happened before. 2 yeas from now nobody will give a damn if Nintendo become providers. THE REAL PROBLEM: Nin, like sega, will not seduce anyone with Super Peach 56, because their games have become more reactionary than Disney. The point: Are we really sure Nintendo games are really that good? I'm not sure. Be ready for Sammy-Nintendo-SEGA enterprises. At least, when SEGA went down with the Dreamcast, they went down publishing fantastic, innovative soft. Which is the opposite of Nintendo's current catalogue.
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Post by Colonel Kurtz on Jan 22, 2014 19:14:38 GMT -5
Eh. Their handheld sales give them enough leeway for their consoles to be vanity projects. It happened to work out in their favor for the Wii, not so much with the N64, GCN, or (so far) the Wuu (I'll make that name catch on even if it kills me). the Wuu would have been so much better. Tongue-in-cheek, you know... That being said, I guess the cards have been dealt. I won't get a Wuu. (nice name).
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Post by Dee Liteyears on Jan 22, 2014 19:45:40 GMT -5
I use this name for already for months*g Spread the word! Still, I have at least a bit of faith in it. But yeah, Nintendo already made better decisions than now (though even dumber ones too) As for the 13GB patch. That seems like a bad joke. All that it does is make the developers look like a bunch of lazy fucks T_T
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