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Post by Ike on Apr 17, 2014 11:24:17 GMT -5
This may be the one game I played that was an outright unpleasant experience. I remember every shitty boss fight but nothing about the story. It was just atrocious.
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Post by Garamoth on Apr 17, 2014 11:31:59 GMT -5
Ah. Actually, I was curious about the interview with Yoshiro Kimura's reaction. Sorry for being unclear.
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Post by iwant on Apr 17, 2014 11:33:20 GMT -5
Yeah, to me the game seemed like a bunch of interesting cutscenes with terrible gameplay sequences crammed in the remaining disk space. It almost feels like it was thought up as an animated film but was somehow converted to a game due to a last-minute decision - so it just didn't work. That's a pity because the initial idea - exploring childhood by drawing from the unusual cruelty found in Grimm's traditional fairy tales - was very creative and engaging but they ruined it because they clearly had no idea how to create a good survival-horror game.
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Post by iwant on Apr 17, 2014 11:41:09 GMT -5
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Post by magus on Apr 20, 2014 9:15:32 GMT -5
there was some overblown controversy on the italian side too, with a scandalistic journal reciting on his front page with BIG MENACING WHITE WORDS "HE WHO BURIES THE LITTLE GIRL ALIVE WINS!" the real offensive part is someone talking about an horror videogame in a win/lose contest if you ask me EDIT: oh i see the article mention it, well my comment has a pic of the actual magazine so i still win!
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Post by Garamoth on Apr 20, 2014 9:37:07 GMT -5
Oh I had that pic too, so you lose the Internets forever...
Unless you have a better quality version of the picture? The original article would be even better.
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Post by magus on Apr 20, 2014 10:28:26 GMT -5
mmm, well a quick round of internet sleuthing gave me this web.archive.org/web/20061206190457/http://www.panorama.it/internet/computer/articolo/ix1-A020001038759it's the site of the journal and the date coincide so i think that's supposed to be the original article but you never know so i'm not 100% sure EDIT: allright some more internet sleuthing confirmed that is the original article, i don't want to bother translating the whole thing but i can summarize the more juicy part later if you can't read italian
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Post by elmajikos on Apr 20, 2014 12:34:10 GMT -5
In Britain we had Keith Vaz pretty much saying the same thing as the Italian and French politicians, though he usually does like to consider himself the guardian of public morality in anything concerning media.
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Post by Garamoth on Apr 20, 2014 12:56:56 GMT -5
Great, thanks. Google translate does a surprisingly good job at giving the gist of it. The article pretty sensasionalistic, but at least you can see they had direct experience with the game. It's funny it comes from a weekly magazine known for its raunchy covers.
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Post by retr0gamer on Apr 20, 2014 13:29:48 GMT -5
I'm not 100% but I think the controversy started in Poland when a Polish politician picked up the story and went on a crusade against it that spilled over to other do nothing politicians looking for a bandwagon to jump on to.
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Post by magus on Apr 20, 2014 19:00:25 GMT -5
Great, thanks. Google translate does a surprisingly good job at giving the gist of it. The article pretty sensasionalistic, but at least you can see they had direct experience with the game. It's funny it comes from a weekly magazine known for its raunchy covers. panorama is supposedly a politics and latest news journal but it's more of a scandalistic journal so really it's hardly the new york times and the cover above shouldn't come as a surprise
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Post by Resident Tsundere on Apr 21, 2014 1:18:04 GMT -5
Oh, wow, I had no idea that the controversy around the game spread quite THAT far, and that crazily. Makes you wonder where some of those politicians' minds are at to take the game to such perverse conclusions. In a way, I guess it's comforting to know that it isn't just North American politicians that latch on to moral panic to seem moral without having to, you know, actually be moral.
I first saw footage from RoR on the old G4 show Cinematech, and I remember wondering what the heck this game is and what it was about. I think I got suckered in to it thanks to the theme song. I eventually got a decent used copy in the original box off of Amazon back in 2012. I haven't played it much, though. I got stuck early on and was unable to figure out what I was supposed to have Brown investigate to move ahead in the game. Still, I'm glad that others enjoyed it.
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Post by Joseph Joestar on Apr 21, 2014 8:54:40 GMT -5
Gotta be honest; as far as horror game stories go, this one's second only to Silent Hill 2 for me. I really wish you wouldn't have said that because now I might need to actually try it. I didn't bother with it because descriptions of the game and the story turned me off. I skipped Haunting Ground for similar reasons; I enjoyed the first couple Clock Tower games because they were basically rip-offs of "Phenomena," but I'm not a fan of survival horror games were you have no way of defending yourself or very limited, temporary defenses. Like Siren. I know there's people that love that type of game but my view is that it sucks being powerless to deal with all the bullshit in real life, why would you want to subject yourself to that in your games too? This may be the one game I played that was an outright unpleasant experience. I remember every shitty boss fight but nothing about the story. It was just atrocious. ...this was the other reason. I had friends/acquaintances that had played it say something similar, that it just wasn't fun.
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Post by GamerL on Apr 21, 2014 22:57:26 GMT -5
Oh, wow, I had no idea that the controversy around the game spread quite THAT far, and that crazily. Makes you wonder where some of those politicians' minds are at to take the game to such perverse conclusions. In a way, I guess it's comforting to know that it isn't just North American politicians that latch on to moral panic to seem moral without having to, you know, actually be moral. I first saw footage from RoR on the old G4 show Cinematech, and I remember wondering what the heck this game is and what it was about. I think I got suckered in to it thanks to the theme song. I eventually got a decent used copy in the original box off of Amazon back in 2012. I haven't played it much, though. I got stuck early on and was unable to figure out what I was supposed to have Brown investigate to move ahead in the game. Still, I'm glad that others enjoyed it. Cinematech was where I first saw this game too, I remember being pretty blown away by the trailer, I guess that must have been 2005? so I've been curious about this game for the better part of a decade now yes, me and this game have a history, I was looking forward to playing it but the bad reviews scared me away and I decided to buy Yakuza instead with the idea of maybe getting Rule of Rose at a later date, a decision I've been regretting ever since because procrastination struck and eventually the game became outrageously expensive, oh what I would give to go back to 2006 and snag a brand new copy for just 50$ the problem is the fact that I keep hearing that from a gameplay standpoint it's just not very good, which makes me hesitant to blow a wad of cash on it, but at the same time the subject matter is so intriguing it ensures that I'll never forget about the game or "just give up" on it one time I did come close to snagging it on Ebay for a reasonable price but I was "sniped" at the very last second before the bid ended, you better believe that pissed me off, finally in desperation I even tried emulating it but either PS2 emulators suck or my laptop is just not up to snuff for it because it ran like crap (I suspect it's because PS2 emulators suck, to be honest) so here I am stuck and meanwhile the game just gets more and more expensive, what to do? this article has me feeling that maybe it's high time I just bite the bullet and buy the damn thing regardless of cost EDIT: and well folks, guess what? I did just that, I managed to find a copy on Amazon with the manual for 60$, which hurt, but everything else was at least 100$, it felt like fate was calling so even though my wallet is now stinging at least I saved 40 bucks (and got the manual to boot!) so uh, here goes nothing...
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Post by jjc14 on Apr 24, 2014 20:55:23 GMT -5
The controversy sounds like it was primarily a European situation. I don't recall any buzz at all in the North American press. It was brought up at the time, as potentially the reason why SCEA passed on publishing it. I don't remember it getting to the point where it reached non-gaming press like in the newspaper clips posted here. Maybe there's some old IGN or Gamespot news articles we could dig up. I agree. Rule of Rose was a unique, hard-to-find title over here, but didn't do much of anything to spark mainstream media attention. It appears blatant one-sided press coverage is a worldwide phenomenon though... (Hooray?) Minor corrections: Soundtrack image tagged as "American Arcade Flyer" This where Brown the dog comes in. (This is...?) but he can given any quest item to sniff and lead you to the next one in the series. (...he can be...?) Not good enough? how about "bitch" then? Rule of Rose probably hasn't rotten many children's mind (...children's mind s...?) Pan's Labyrinth received Oscars and its director went on to direct Hollywood blockbusters. ( Pan's Labyrinth was italicized earlier in this paragraph.)
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