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Post by The Great Klaid on Oct 28, 2014 19:57:50 GMT -5
\Well they're just offshoots of goblins, and those seem to run the gamut of furry to scaly. Not to mention, it wasn't until 3e that Kobolds became lizard like, and the Dragon association was there. So no one can really agree on them. I like furry ones personally. AD&D goblins were lizardlike since 1977, although the depiction in the monster manual they also had doglike ears, which might explain the confusion in Japan. Actual kobolds in folklore are more or less just a German equivalent to gnomes, anyway. The 1e text description doesn't give much to work with either, but now I'm curious... When I'm done with supper I'll pore over my books and see what I come up with.
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Post by Feynman on Oct 28, 2014 20:41:18 GMT -5
I always associate kobolds with the AD&D 2nd edition monster manual image. In that book, they're depicted as sort of cross between a lizard and a rat.
As I recall, in 1st edition kobolds appeared as a doglike goblin variant.
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Post by The Great Klaid on Oct 28, 2014 21:01:01 GMT -5
Yeah, the pictures in the 2e Monstrous Compendium, because I still can't quite figure out what the official 2e MM is, is some sort of naked mole rat. 1e looks like a weird dog, and if you go from the text, is meant to be sort of leathery. The picture shows it kind of scaly. 3e makes it officially kind of reptilian. Pathfinders and 4e go full on little mini dragon people. So I guess, they've never been all that close to dog people. But, a couple of interesting notes, I discovered while researching this. The oldest book I own that they are in is 1e AD&D. They are nowhere to be found in the old pamphlets. What I did find in there however was that two of the big three brand identity monsters were from Greyhawk. Meaning that as much as TSR and later Wizards wanted Gygax gone, they had no real problem putting a death grip on his stuff.
Also, thinking about it, it's really kind of neat people even know Dave Arneson and Gary Gygax anymore. Considering how may other companies would completely cover up the creators, back then and now.
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Post by kyouki on Oct 29, 2014 8:47:58 GMT -5
I've always been curious about them but they're kind of intimidating. Would you say that the PSX Llylgamyn Saga is a good place to start? Yeah, definitely. It offers an automap if you are into that (I enjoy drawing my own maps but I realize that is weird), doesn't save every step like the original computers version (if your party is wiped just reset and reload), and gives you a ton of control over how you want the game to look. Just stick with it a bit til your characters level up some, and you will start to appreciate all the game has going for it.
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Post by ryall on Aug 12, 2017 17:59:16 GMT -5
Could anyone who has experience of them all let me know what the major differences are between the PS1, Saturn and SFC versions of the original Wizardry trilogy?
I'm looking to finally play these, and I'm not sure where to start. Most posts in this thread would suggest the SFC versions, but the PS1 versions are also mentioned. I'm not sure if the SFC versions are recommended because they're considered definitive or if they're just the most accessible and available in English.
I've had a read of the Wizardry article over on the main site and it seems to suggest that the SFC versions actually came later than any of the others, in 1999 - which seems peculiar to say the least.
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Post by kaoru on Aug 13, 2017 7:42:30 GMT -5
I've had a read of the Wizardry article over on the main site and it seems to suggest that the SFC versions actually came later than any of the others, in 1999 - which seems peculiar to say the least. It's one of the very late 1999/2000 Japanese game releases that were exclusive limited Nintendo Power ones. Not to conflict with the magazine, NP in Japan was a rewrite-able cartridge: You went to the store, said which game you wanted to buy, and they put in onto the cartridge and handed you the manual. Economically sound, since that didn't produce a stock of games that might not sell, the console being basically dead and all. Fire Emblem Thracia 776 is another one of those (though I think that one was popular enough to later get a normal print run).
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Post by ryall on Aug 13, 2017 16:11:05 GMT -5
I've had a read of the Wizardry article over on the main site and it seems to suggest that the SFC versions actually came later than any of the others, in 1999 - which seems peculiar to say the least. It's one of the very late 1999/2000 Japanese game releases that were exclusive limited Nintendo Power ones. Not to conflict with the magazine, NP in Japan was a rewrite-able cartridge: You went to the store, said which game you wanted to buy, and they put in onto the cartridge and handed you the manual. Economically sound, since that didn't produce a stock of games that might not sell, the console being basically dead and all. Fire Emblem Thracia 776 is another one of those (though I think that one was popular enough to later get a normal print run). I see. I'd heard that Thracia was released in 1999, which always struck me as odd, but I didn't know anything about how it was distributed. So I take it then that the SFC version of the original Wizardry trilogy is the latest and, to that extent, definitive version?
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Post by Dingo on Aug 19, 2017 20:28:48 GMT -5
I played through the Llylgamyn Saga on Saturn about a year and a half ago. My experience was rather good; the updated visuals are nice, and it's easy to import if playing on an actual Saturn (which is why I went with that version).
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Post by edmonddantes on Aug 19, 2017 22:45:37 GMT -5
Honestly I've always been fine with the MS-DOS versions despite the apparent levelling glitch.
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Post by kaoru on Aug 20, 2017 5:23:48 GMT -5
I only played the SNES versions, since those were the only ones with a patch that translates the item/spell descriptions too back in the day. But as the casual bitch that I am, I have to say I find the PC/PSX/SS versions very ugly to look at with their pixelated monster artwork and the low res 3D dungeons. Let's not even talk about the western releases.
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