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Post by Allie on May 3, 2014 18:10:03 GMT -5
Historically... aside from Metal Wolf Chaos, the Otogi games, Chromehounds, Murakumo, the Lost Kingdoms games, and Ninja Blade. Don't forget Phantom Dust, Magatama, DroneZ, Dinosaur Hunting, Spikeout Battle Street, Panzer Dragoon Orta, Gun Valkyrie, Jet Set Radio Future, HOTD3, Virtua Cop 3 (if you mod your xbox to run the arcade rom, works with lightgun yay) etc. etc. You completely misinterpreted my post, Chief.
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Post by derboo on May 3, 2014 20:30:18 GMT -5
are there really that many Gears of War and Call of Duty players out there who are gonna buy a game with an anime girl on the cover? Yeah, because that totally applies to From Software's games. As an Xbox 360 only owner, I'd never buy a game with such a girlish, chibi-style cover: Much too Japanese for my tastes... Well, most of the 360's major Japanese exclusives made their appearance in the first couple years of the system, when Microsoft was still making a big push to enter the Japanese market. When that didn't pan out they basically gave up, and since then the number of Japanese PS3 exclusives has been rising steadily. What Microsoft gave up on is not simply Japanese exclusives, though, but the attempt to make Xbox appear like a gaming device instead of a multimedia station that also happens to play games. I couldn't care less which consoles this is released on, but not bringing games to PC is just stupid.
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Post by Super Orbus on May 3, 2014 20:38:35 GMT -5
What Microsoft gave up on is not simply Japanese exclusives, though, but the attempt to make Xbox appear like a gaming device instead of a multimedia station that also happens to play games. That's what both Sony and Microsoft appear to be pursuing, to a greater or lesser degree. Microsoft, perhaps a bit more aggressively, though I actually feel like the PS3 is an all around better media player than the 360 is. Can't speak for PS4 and Xbone.
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Post by loempiavreter on May 3, 2014 21:09:38 GMT -5
Don't forget Phantom Dust, Magatama, DroneZ, Dinosaur Hunting, Spikeout Battle Street, Panzer Dragoon Orta, Gun Valkyrie, Jet Set Radio Future, HOTD3, Virtua Cop 3 (if you mod your xbox to run the arcade rom, works with lightgun yay) etc. etc. You completely misinterpreted my post, Chief. Oops, my bad :s
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Post by Feynman on May 3, 2014 21:16:53 GMT -5
What Microsoft gave up on is not simply Japanese exclusives, though, but the attempt to make Xbox appear like a gaming device instead of a multimedia station that also happens to play games. That's what both Sony and Microsoft appear to be pursuing, to a greater or lesser degree. Microsoft, perhaps a bit more aggressively, though I actually feel like the PS3 is an all around better media player than the 360 is. Can't speak for PS4 and Xbone. The original PS3 was Sony's attempt to make an all-in-one entertainment media box. Blu-ray! The ability to play games from every PlayStation console! Built-in SD card readers! Tons of bells and whistles that nobody actually wanted! The resulting monster price tag for a device with shitloads of irrelevant features meant Sony spent a couple years furiously backpedaling before they managed to get back on track. Having apparently learned nothing whatsoever from Sony's ill-fated attempt at controlling the living room, this time around Microsoft decided that they were going to make an all-in-one entertainment media box. Connect to your cable box! Kinect! Voice commands! Tons of bells and whistles that nobody actually wants! A monster price tag for shitloads of irrelevant features has resulted in Microsoft having spent almost a full year thus far furiously backpedaling. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
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Post by Scylla on May 3, 2014 22:41:04 GMT -5
Well, at least Sony fared better with Blu-ray than Microsoft did with their 360 HD DVD player, haha.
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Post by Ike on May 3, 2014 22:44:17 GMT -5
That wasn't really Microsoft's fault, though. HDDVDs fell apart independently of them.
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Post by GamerL on May 3, 2014 23:00:49 GMT -5
are there really that many Gears of War and Call of Duty players out there who are gonna buy a game with an anime girl on the cover? Yeah, because that totally applies to From Software's games. As an Xbox 360 only owner, I'd never buy a game with such a girlish, chibi-style cover: Much too Japanese for my tastes... dude, I was talking about Catherine specifically, the absurdity of porting Catherine to the 360 because I doubt there were very many 360 only owners who would buy a game with an anime girl on the cover I was not trying to imply that every Japanese game has anime stuff on the cover
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Post by Scylla on May 3, 2014 23:39:04 GMT -5
You need to accept that your idea of 360 owners is screwy and colored by whatever bias you have against the system itself and/or its owners.
I don't know why you're so hung up on Catherine either. According to figures I'm seeing online, it sold roughly 160,000 copies on 360 in North America and roughly 250,000 on PS3 in North America. Clearly it did better on PS3, but the 360 sales are still a sizable percentage of the overall sales and, for a game of its kind in the Western market, those are good sales for any platform (it's one of Atlus's most successful releases, after all). It frankly would've been dumb to NOT release the game on 360 and miss out on all those sales.
Obviously the Japanese sales are a lot more lopsided in favor of the PS3. You could argue that, in Japan, releasing a 360 version was kind of pointless, but Japanese developers don't create games solely for their own market anymore (well, some do, and those games stay in Japan). If they're going to make a 360 version to take advantage of worldwide sales potential, then they may as well release it in Japan too and get some modest additional sales (30,000).
And for what it's worth, I don't own Catherine yet but it's something I'm planning to pick up sooner or later, and unless I hear that the PS3 version is superior in some way, I'll probably get it on 360 myself.
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Post by Garamoth on May 4, 2014 9:43:05 GMT -5
*cough*cough* So did you guys have enough infighting?
Here's a Youtube video explaining why it's probably legit:
VaatiVidya makes some great 'Souls videos by the way. I love that new generation of high-quality youtubers.
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Post by AfroRyan on May 4, 2014 12:26:37 GMT -5
You have to take into account how inexpensive porting can be too. If the engine was developed with porting in mind, it's not as if releasing a game for both consoles wastes a ton of money. Furthermore, DVDs, 360's primary media, are super cheap.
All in all, for last generation there was no reason NOT to release it to the 360 (aside from the occasional super pretty PS3 game like Heavy Rain, but most Japanese developers were not developing those). This generation is even more open. The two major consoles are basically the same in terms of power, and everyone is trying to develop an engine that is scalable, so not only is it a straight forward thing to port to the consoles, but a PC, iPhone, or even last generation 360/PS3 port would be fairly straight forward. The only console that would be a pain to port to or develop for is the Wii U, because the tablet controller forces the developer to spend extra time (and money) to develop and test games on. So all said, unless Sony ponied up some cash for exclusivity, From (or rather, their new parent company) would be crazy to neglect the rest of the market. ESPECIALLY the Souls market, which has a huge following on everything it was released for, be it PlayStation, Xbox, or PC.
And to come full circle, I sure hope this is real. Although I'd love to see From release another Otogi style game, or even another more traditional JRPG like Enchanted Arms. For the last few years it's just been Souls and Cores.
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Post by Scylla on May 4, 2014 15:54:09 GMT -5
What From Software REALLY needs to do is return to King's Field. At the end of this year is the 20th anniversary of the first King's Field, and I'll be ticked if they let that slide by with nothing. It's been almost 13 years since King's Field IV, so it's getting a bit ridiculous. All we've had since then was that collection of the first four games, those crappy PSP games, and some mobile games that nobody outside of Japan can play anyway. And none of those were exactly recent either. Even if not King's Field in name, make another Shadow Tower or something completely new like Eternal Ring was, just something in that style. With all the attention the Souls games have brought to the King's Field series, you'd think this would be a good time to revive it. But with all the success that Souls has brought From Software, it seems like it's also trapped them.
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Post by AfroRyan on May 4, 2014 16:39:43 GMT -5
What From Software REALLY needs to do is return to King's Field. At the end of this year is the 20th anniversary of the first King's Field, and I'll be ticked if they let that slide by with nothing. It's been almost 13 years since King's Field IV, so it's getting a bit ridiculous. All we've had since then was that collection of the first four games, those crappy PSP games, and some mobile games that nobody outside of Japan can play anyway. And none of those were exactly recent either. Even if not King's Field in name, make another Shadow Tower or something completely new like Eternal Ring was, just something in that style. With all the attention the Souls games have brought to the King's Field series, you'd think this would be a good time to revive it. But with all the success that Souls has brought From Software, it seems like it's also trapped them. Agreed. Some may say the Souls series is the spiritual successor to King's Field, and that's accurate enough, but something is lost in third person. The worst parts in the Souls games are areas that are claustrophobic. Not because they invoke that feeling of being trapped (that's the good part,) but because the camera in those areas is as apt to get you killed as any trap or enemy. There's nothing quite like the first person view to genuinely invoke that feeling of being surrounded. I'd love for From to revisit that with modern technology.
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Post by Garamoth on May 4, 2014 17:11:40 GMT -5
Speaking of Vaatvidya videos, here's as close as you get:
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Post by Super Orbus on May 4, 2014 17:32:46 GMT -5
Melee combat generally kind of sucks in first person.
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