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Post by jjmcjj on Jul 31, 2014 0:01:04 GMT -5
Yeah I agree judging the quality of an article/review-based site based on the comments they generate is a bit silly as it's irrelevant to the actual site's content.
Isn't Kotaku the site where the comment that gets the most attention gets to the very top of the comments page, which is usually the troll comment (of course)?
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Post by Weasel on Jul 31, 2014 0:30:09 GMT -5
Then again, Kotaku does have Patricia Hernandez. Going by her posts, she's a drug using, polyamorous furry which...what the hell does that have to do with games and game news? At least Tim Rogers hasn't made any posts in a long while. It doesn't have to be Tim Rogers to be completely insufferable. They still publish those patronizing "Ask Dr. Nerdlove" columns, and then there's that one article that was entirely just the author talking about how he had sex on Sonic the Hedgehog bedsheets.
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Post by nightdreamer on Jul 31, 2014 8:10:37 GMT -5
every single fucking story related to The Last of Us now has to have a dozen shitheads spouting their opinion saying "durrr overrated game is overrated harr harr", guess what? I don't do this in the comments of any TLoU articles (because I just don't post comments, full stop) but for the record, The Last of Us is mega-hyper-super-colossal overrated. There. I said it. I felt really good.
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Post by TonicBH on Jul 31, 2014 9:05:30 GMT -5
I mean, be honest, do you really think that when the witch character with the big boobs from Dragon's Crown was "controversial" that was not a cynical clickbait ploy? No? People can take criticism with the character's design without it coming off as "clickbait." Perhaps it was blown out of proportion by some, but to think that somebody thought "I'm gonna write about this insignificant character in a video game in order to get THE HITS" is a very cynical view on criticism, and I seriously believe people don't think that way. Granted, I hated the design not because of the big boobs, but because I've seen 13-year-olds on Deviantart draw better designed characters than whoever at Vanillaware designed her. Dragon's Crown in general has awful character design.
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Post by moran on Jul 31, 2014 9:48:03 GMT -5
Call me insane, but I'm perfectly satisfied with Kotaku. Most other gaming news sites come across as incredibly pretentious to me. Kotaku just gives me the news. Sure, their comments section is shit, but why would anyone even read comments anyway? It's like purposely raw dogging a Hilton. You know what you're getting into with that situation, so just avoid the whole mess to begin with. I'm with you on this. When it comes down to news, Kotaku has everything that other sites would have without the giant think pieces.
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Post by Joseph Joestar on Jul 31, 2014 10:38:06 GMT -5
As for the social justice stuff, it only really bothers me when it's an obvious personal opinion vehicle. Which is always.
To use an example, [name redacted] was complaining in an article about Doug TenNappel's latest project, which is fair to a degree because TenNappel is a jerk. But then he started criticizing other people for working with him, and calling them homophobes and monsters, and then started bitching and whining about Shadow Complex (despite it only really having tangential involvement from Orson Scott Card) and calling the game's writer, Peter David, an idiot and evil and a homophobe for David's comment that you can't label everyone on a project because of one person. Never you mind that Peter David has been nothing but incredibly considerate and supportive of LGBT interests in the past, and one of the few people at Marvel to push for LGBT characters that aren't Northstar. Anyway, the whole article stunk like bullshit so I made a comment on Twitter that he was being short-sighted for discounting Peter David like that, and [name redacted] flew off the handle right onto his soapbox. Anyway, I was disappointed to see how immature he was about the whole thing. Which is saying something, because I'm a model of immaturity.
Anyway I guess the point is that I hate it when people get ultra political like that because it ultimately colors your opinion on their work or their opinions. But more importantly it's annoying as shit.
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Post by dooz on Jul 31, 2014 15:47:09 GMT -5
the unfortunate thing about talking about any "serious" issue in gaming is that it gets interpreted as clickbait or dismissed so any actual discussion devolves into a shouting match in the comments section. hence the solution is to disable comments. The problem is that society doesn't view calm, intelligent, discussions or debates as ideal. Instead, it celebrates shouting matches. Combine that with the anti-social nerd who can't stand anyone talking shit about their vidya and that's why it's so horrible. People just act like idiotic children.
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Post by dantroid on Jul 31, 2014 17:12:47 GMT -5
Hi dantroid. You'll either die from all the trolls that frequent HG101 nowadays, or you'll live long enough to become one of them. Join us. It is your destiny. Thanks guys, and I will. Though I won't be a troll, never. And if I encounter one, I'll just Konami Code that shit.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 17:49:15 GMT -5
There honestly aren't that many trolls on here anymore. Of course now I've jinxed it.
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Post by geishaboy on Jul 31, 2014 18:33:57 GMT -5
Hi dantroid. You'll either die from all the trolls that frequent HG101 nowadays, or you'll live long enough to become one of them. Join us. It is your destiny. Thanks guys, and I will. Though I won't be a troll, never. And if I encounter one, I'll just Konami Code that shit. One of us. One of us. One of us To use an example, [name redacted] was complaining in an article about Doug TenNappel's latest project, which is fair to a degree because TenNappel is a jerk. But then he started criticizing other people for working with him, and calling them homophobes and monsters, and then started bitching and whining about Shadow Complex (despite it only really having tangential involvement from Orson Scott Card) and calling the game's writer, Peter David, an idiot and evil and a homophobe for David's comment that you can't label everyone on a project because of one person. Never you mind that Peter David has been nothing but incredibly considerate and supportive of LGBT interests in the past, and one of the few people at Marvel to push for LGBT characters that aren't Northstar. Anyway, the whole article stunk like bullshit so I made a comment on Twitter that he was being short-sighted for discounting Peter David like that, and [name redacted] flew off the handle right onto his soapbox. Anyway, I was disappointed to see how immature he was about the whole thing. Which is saying something, because I'm a model of immaturity. That's a reaction typical of someone who subconsciously knows that their argument is weak.
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Post by GamerL on Aug 1, 2014 1:35:23 GMT -5
every single fucking story related to The Last of Us now has to have a dozen shitheads spouting their opinion saying "durrr overrated game is overrated harr harr", guess what? I don't do this in the comments of any TLoU articles (because I just don't post comments, full stop) but for the record, The Last of Us is mega-hyper-super-colossal overrated. There. I said it. I felt really good. so what? why do you feel the need to say this? too many gamers must get this smug sense of superiority whenever they say an acclaimed or popular game is "overrated" because it always happens every single time, a game could be the best thing since sliced bread and there'd still be jackasses* saying it's overrated, it kinda takes the fun out of everything, like imagine if you were a kid and you had to listen to endless jackasses* saying Super Mario Bros or Zelda A Link to the Past was overrated and you're just "buying into the hype" there's plenty of popular games I'm not fond of but I don't feel the need to constantly point that out and for the record I would say that TLoU is a pretty great game, in an era of cookie cutter games with perfunctory storytelling TLoU is a game where the story is as important as anything else and the gameplay is not the typical shoot-em-up stuff, that alone is worthy of praise **note I am not calling you directly a jackass, just these other guys I see on websites
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Post by nightdreamer on Aug 1, 2014 2:57:56 GMT -5
Why I felt the need to say that? Because there was an implication in your OP that people who don't like TLoU are entitled or morons or whatever. I'm... maybe not that unreasonable, but still share the pain of being annoyed at its constant overpraise? I've never pointed that out here either; like, this thread was maybe the first (or second, I haven't kept track of my own activity) I mentioned it specifically on HG101.
And as for that game itself, I thought the story was okay, with a fantastic presentation (and yet nothing I haven't seen before: hey, I'm fatigued with post-apocalypse sci-fi at this point and most things TLoU done I already read in Cormac McCarthy's The Road), but I really have no patience for games that are designed to give an experience akin to watching a movie, because that would make the gameplay segments interruptions, and bad gameplay segments irritations. The cover-shooting and the stealth from TLoU freaking sucks, a brutal exercise in trial-and-error where most of the failures are result of not finding certain items or ammo, with very little improvisation allowed. Which is at complete odds with what a game about survival should represent.
So does any game news site mention these? Nope, nope, they were too busy praising the story and handing out 10s, even if sometimes they acknowledge that the gameplay could've been improved. It's like, there's this general shift in game media where they prioritise narrative and production over gameplay now, and it's really not sitting well with me. It's bad for people who like their games a little more game-y; it's bad for the industry who blow MILLIONS creating these elaborate setpiece-driven games, only to crash-and-burn when they undersell; and it's bad for the smaller-scale developments who find their games receiving no coverage.
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Post by Feynman on Aug 1, 2014 3:31:40 GMT -5
It's like, there's this general shift in game media where they prioritise narrative and production over gameplay now, and it's really not sitting well with me. I kind of feel like this as well. It's even worse because just like with movies and television, grimdark stories nearly always get high marks whilst anything comedic or whimsical or just generally "not serious enough" is all too often dismissed as not being terribly worthwhile. Drama seems to command a lot more respect than comedy does, which is sad.
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Post by nightdreamer on Aug 1, 2014 3:58:58 GMT -5
...yeah, those Mario and Luigi games have some of the best writings in recent games and you don't see them earning accolades for that because Mario is not a dad and Peach is not his (surrogate) daughter who he has to protect from this harsh, cruel world! Just add zombies, GOTY!
Incidentally, what the hell is it with gaming's obsessions with dad and (surrogate) daughter stories anyway?! Why do they keep doing that, and why are we not getting mom and son alternatives?! Is this so that macho dudebros can play games where they're shoot everybody and still have the game tell them 'you're a tender human being'?
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Post by GamerL on Aug 1, 2014 4:23:13 GMT -5
Why I felt the need to say that? Because there was an implication in your OP that people who don't like TLoU are entitled or morons or whatever. I'm... maybe not that unreasonable, but still share the pain of being annoyed at its constant overpraise? I've never pointed that out here either; like, this thread was maybe the first (or second, I haven't kept track of my own activity) I mentioned it specifically on HG101. And as for that game itself, I thought the story was okay, with a fantastic presentation (and yet nothing I haven't seen before: hey, I'm fatigued with post-apocalypse sci-fi at this point and most things TLoU done I already read in Cormac McCarthy's The Road), but I really have no patience for games that are designed to give an experience akin to watching a movie, because that would make the gameplay segments interruptions, and bad gameplay segments irritations. The cover-shooting and the stealth from TLoU freaking sucks, a brutal exercise in trial-and-error where most of the failures are result of not finding certain items or ammo, with very little improvisation allowed. Which is at complete odds with what a game about survival should represent. So does any game news site mention these? Nope, nope, they were too busy praising the story and handing out 10s, even if sometimes they acknowledge that the gameplay could've been improved. It's like, there's this general shift in game media where they prioritise narrative and production over gameplay now, and it's really not sitting well with me. It's bad for people who like their games a little more game-y; it's bad for the industry who blow MILLIONS creating these elaborate setpiece-driven games, only to crash-and-burn when they undersell; and it's bad for the smaller-scale developments who find their games receiving no coverage. what I'm complaining about is people who simply say something is "overrated" without giving any reasons, you've now expounded your thoughts on the game so fair enough, but I still hate it when assholes jump into any article for a popular game to throw in an "overrated", that's different than an actual discussion of a game's merits you're not wrong that critics tend to over-hype and overpraise games though, most video game reviews these days are awful, just awful, in fact I rarely do anything more than glance at reviews these days just to make sure a game is not getting 1/10s or something and I don't think I've ever actually read a review of The Last of Us at all, I just thought the game looked interesting, played it and through my own opinion decided it was great, so great in fact that I figured it would be the first game since the original Portal to be widely praised by gamers, because what the hell could people find so wrong with it? but of course that'll never happen again by the way, I shudder to think how many years of "overrated" were going to have to suffer through every time Destiny is mentioned, as a matter of fact the word overrated should be fucking banned from the internet, the word overrated is itself overrated
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