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Post by Discoalucard on Sept 26, 2014 15:11:47 GMT -5
Also citing Depression Quest is a loaded example considering the "non-game" nonsense that got lobbed at it before it was even the center of a ridiculous controversy. Reasons that this game is so hated is that it's incredibly dull, pretendious and innacurate about depression, yet journalists praise it as it's a work of art, a masterpiece. All of that may be true to you and many others, but that doesn't mean the people that did see something in it were paid off. Might I remind you that paying for top tier reviews for a game that's FREE makes literally no sense.
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Post by vetus on Sept 26, 2014 15:13:53 GMT -5
User reviews for Depression Quest existed way before August 18th, when the game was first released and it got quickly a huge hype. Hmmmmm.... Also the game while it's free there is a "Pay what you want" option. Therefore it's not like the creator doesn't makes any money at all.
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Post by Discoalucard on Sept 26, 2014 15:15:50 GMT -5
Marketers can be scummy but that has nothing to do with journalists and doesn't support your point at all. This is probably why nearly all the negative user reviews (except one) on metacritc were posted AFTER August 18th. Gee, I wonder why. And that's why I suspect this is a stealth Gamergate thread and my trigger finger is hovering over the "lock" icon unless someone can prove otherwise.
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Post by The Great Klaid on Sept 26, 2014 15:25:41 GMT -5
I'm going to keep pointing this out, but I've never met a person who buys a game based on review scores. Hell I usually really only look for how a game plays. I've bought "trash" I like and passed on all kinds of really highly reviewed games. Because I know what I like.
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Post by vetus on Sept 26, 2014 15:29:40 GMT -5
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Post by Terrifying on Sept 26, 2014 15:31:11 GMT -5
I'll never forget the score Dutch magazine Power Unlimited gave to Final Fantasy III (VI)...a 5.6...
The reviewer was a woman who was a PC-only gamester, so yeah, it's not always secret handshakes...
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Post by llj on Sept 26, 2014 15:33:10 GMT -5
I'm going to keep pointing this out, but I've never met a person who buys a game based on review scores. Hell I usually really only look for how a game plays. I've bought "trash" I like and passed on all kinds of really highly reviewed games. Because I know what I like. I know what genres I like too, but I generally try to get a feel for how people are reacting to games I have interest in before plonking down a bunch of dollars for it. Just because I like certain genres doesn't mean they don't lay a few eggs I wish I didn't spend money on. That said, I often find myself searching for fan responses rather than review scores when trying to get a feel for potential quality. Then if the overall tenure of the fan responses aren't TOO negative I'd probably go for it. If, say, I were interested in Compile Heart games and even Compile Heart fans slam a certain game I was thinking of purchasing, then chances are I probably would hold off on paying too much for it.
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Post by Échalote on Sept 26, 2014 15:34:02 GMT -5
How do fake fansite and user reviews support the claim that journos are biaised ?
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Post by Discoalucard on Sept 26, 2014 15:43:01 GMT -5
Lying to your customers with fake fansites doesn't support my point? How so? The premise of your thread, at least as outlined in the OP, is "Game journalists are corrupt so they give high scores to bad games". The stuff you're bringing up has nothing to do with game journalists, and I'm straining to see what it has to do with negative user reviews. If your OP had something like "publisher PR departments can be disingenuous" then I would agree with you! I'll never forget the score Dutch magazine Power Unlimited gave to Final Fantasy III (VI)...a 5.6... The reviewer was a woman who was a PC-only gamester, so yeah, it's not always secret handshakes... Something kind of similar happened with PC magazines tried to review Final Fantasy VII when it camecame out. I remember the PC Gamer reviewer being completely flummoxed by it, because it was nothing like Ultima or any other RPGs to the platform, and they were struggling to even define it as an RPG. I think they still ended up giving it a positive (80%+) review but it wasn't nearly as hype filled as the console magazine reviews.
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Post by The Great Klaid on Sept 26, 2014 15:52:16 GMT -5
My dad had the same problem with Final Fantasy Tactics. He wanted to know where all this supposed strategy was.
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Post by alphex on Sept 26, 2014 15:57:31 GMT -5
I'll never forget the score Dutch magazine Power Unlimited gave to Final Fantasy III (VI)...a 5.6... The reviewer was a woman who was a PC-only gamester, so yeah, it's not always secret handshakes... FF6 had a Dutch release? I thought it never saw Europe.
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Post by Joseph Joestar on Sept 26, 2014 15:59:30 GMT -5
Reasons that this game is so hated is that it's incredibly dull, pretendious and innacurate about depression, yet journalists praise it as it's a work of art, a masterpiece. All of that may be true to you and many others, but that doesn't mean the people that did see something in it were paid off. Might I remind you that paying for top tier reviews for a game that's FREE makes literally no sense. I think the common perception is that it was more of a barter thing.
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Post by llj on Sept 26, 2014 16:17:21 GMT -5
Something kind of similar happened with PC magazines tried to review Final Fantasy VII when it camecame out. I remember the PC Gamer reviewer being completely flummoxed by it, because it was nothing like Ultima or any other RPGs to the platform, and they were struggling to even define it as an RPG. I think they still ended up giving it a positive (80%+) review but it wasn't nearly as hype filled as the console magazine reviews. I always got a laugh out of seeing PC gaming critics trying to come to terms with console-type games bleeding into their beloved platform That line has narrowed considerably over the years though as PC games became more like console games and console games started to behave more like PC games and games in general being released for both consoles and PCs at the same time.
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Post by nightdreamer on Sept 26, 2014 17:46:54 GMT -5
SMH to people whose entire worldviews are shaped by 4chan...
Maybe I should clarify my point once more. The premise is that a game reviewer gets paid a fat sum by the developer(s) of the product he's about to experience, sits down and plays games all day, and then writes reviews where (in many cases) the writing would not even get you a passing mark from your literature teacher.
Correct?
If this is a well known fact then wouldn't that have everyone QUIT their jobs now and sign up for game reviewing because that sounds like the world's easiest profession? Why would anyone choose other professions anymore, heck, why aren't your mom and dad game reviewers if that's all they have to do to get paid? Also, had any of these premise been true, you'd think that Gamespot or 1up would expand until they are bigger than Coke and not suffering layoffs or closures (in the latter's case) at all.
And yes, user reviews are the most hyperbolic writing, and I don't get anyone who says these are more reliable barometers of a game's quality because if anything, user reviews give ANYONE a platform to rave/rant, regardless of background or if they're writing because they have an axe to grind with the gaming company or whatnot.
EDIT: btw, OF COURSE this is a stealth gamergate thread. What else is it? People are still hung up about garbage conspiracy theories 2 weeks after it purportedly happened.
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Post by TheGunheart on Sept 26, 2014 18:06:31 GMT -5
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