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Post by Weasel on Feb 12, 2015 0:17:40 GMT -5
You might as well do it here...I've heard the rumors, and damn it, I'm tired of it already.
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Post by fullspectrumwarrior on Feb 12, 2015 0:47:43 GMT -5
You might as well do it here...I've heard the rumors, and damn it, I'm tired of it already. They're not rumors anymore. It's all factual now & disheartening. All of the corrupt greedy practices running rampant in the industry have culminated and this game is the result of that. And it's the consumer's fault for allowing it to happen by not only allowing themselves to be nickeled and dimed of the last generation but supporting and even defending it as if spending more money automatically means getting more quality. Or they "don't like it don't buy it" attitude that means if you don't buy it you're missing out on the full experience. The words "optional content" is the new trendy phrase to use to basically get out of jail free for taking a full priced game WITH A SEPARATE SEASON PASS and putting in more separate garbage that free smartphone games have placed in them and I'm sick of it. Companies wonder why their games aren't selling anymore and why after spending 500 million dollars they don't make a profit. When you rip off even the most deluded brainwashed consumers long enough they're going to get sick of it. If they want to make more moneyn make better games like the industry used to. Stop leaving it up to a two man team to make a game that makes 1000 percent profit because they put dedication into making the best product they could instead of spending all their money on finding a way to drip feed the community content and hold you upside down and shake you until your pockets are empty. $60 is no longer the asking price of games even though the industry has made people believe that it is. "Games are cheaper now than ever" is the most incorrect statement of the times. Starter discs cost $60 now while full games like this piece of crap cost over $200 to get all the content that you should get after buying the game and even the season pass. Now even season passes no longer cover all the content that was held back. It's just ridiculous and completely out of control now. A few years ago when all this garbage started people claimed that eventually the industry was going to try to sell you games piece by piece and everyone laughed. Well look what happened. This is exactly what they're doing and I have a feeling in 5 more years this type of garbage will look minor compared to what will be going on at that point. This is no longer gaming, it's a service, and a despicable disgusting one at that. This will open the floodgates for everyone else to follow the trend like they all do and all have done with all the other bad practices over the years.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2015 1:26:06 GMT -5
Is this thread relevant for complaining about Evolve & how its pricing structure will most likely open the floodgates for everyone else to copy it like most everyone else has copied all the other problems created over the last few years? I don't know. I'm thinking this piece of work deserves its own thread but I don't want to start yet another complaint thread. Haven't really been following that game. What's the deal with the pricing?
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Post by fullspectrumwarrior on Feb 12, 2015 1:34:32 GMT -5
Is this thread relevant for complaining about Evolve & how its pricing structure will most likely open the floodgates for everyone else to copy it like most everyone else has copied all the other problems created over the last few years? I don't know. I'm thinking this piece of work deserves its own thread but I don't want to start yet another complaint thread. Haven't really been following that game. What's the deal with the pricing? $60 multiplayer only game up front, $25 season pass that only covers two or three items and another 136 dollars I believe that get you the rest of the content. Some people say it's only optional but like I said in the previous post this is a very ridiculous illogical way of thinking because they know as well as we do that if you want the full experience of any game today you're probably going to have to pay for everything or miss out on what everyone else is experiencing. Its a multiplayer only game so all these so-called optional items are things that they very carefully & specifically designed to make you want to pay for them even if you feel like you don't have to. Regardless of the "don't like it don't buy it attitude" or "its only optional content you don't have to buy" it attitudes this is yet another Titanfall or Destiny where its opening the floodgates where more and more games are going to continue going this route. It's bad enough these games are so lacking in content to begin with that it's seemingly fraudulent that they could even charge $60 for the starter disc to begin with. Eventually just like what happened with lots of other single player games they're going to start pulling this crap with those too and there will be no way outside of indie games that you are going to ever get a complete product for a reasonable price again. Even some indie games have gone this route like Don't Starve or Minecraft and with tons of DLC that cost more than the initial price of the game so that's alreadystarting.
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Post by fullspectrumwarrior on Feb 12, 2015 1:41:20 GMT -5
www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eFybGntkpYHere's a video perfectly explaining the problem with Evolve and it's structuring and the effect it could have on the rest of the industry. Every other bad practice has been copied and made worse so I think it's pretty relevant to look at this game just like with Destiny and see what pretty much will happen in the next few years if this game sells well. Which it will to ill-informed consumers or people that just have too much money and don't care about the damage they're doing.
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Post by Snarboo on Feb 12, 2015 3:30:03 GMT -5
Looking at the Steam version, in order to get everything at launch, you need to buy the "monster race" edition, which will set you back $100. That includes the game, season pass, and some extra characters. The DLC outside of that are skins, which are purely cosmetic. Still pretty bad, especially when content like that tends to fragment multiplayer games!
The game itself looks pretty bland and not worth that much, though, so you could easily wait for a sale before diving in. Also there are already singleplayer games with gougy DLC, namely Borderlands and Saints Row. There's also Painkiler: Hell & Damnation, where only half the game was released at launch before they coughed up the rest over numerous DLC packs.
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Post by fullspectrumwarrior on Feb 12, 2015 4:53:51 GMT -5
Looking at the Steam version, in order to get everything at launch, you need to buy the "monster race" edition, which will set you back $100. That includes the game, season pass, and some extra characters. The DLC outside of that are skins, which are purely cosmetic. Still pretty bad, especially when content like that tends to fragment multiplayer games! The game itself looks pretty bland and not worth that much, though, so you could easily wait for a sale before diving in. Also there are already singleplayer games with gougy DLC, namely Borderlands and Saints Row. There's also Painkiler: Hell & Damnation, where only half the game was released at launch before they coughed up the rest over numerous DLC packs. That's the point I've been trying to make on different forums is this game may not be worth a crap anyway and may not sell that well but it still will sell enough & tell the industry this is okay. This could be the start of a new trend of completely dissecting every part of the game and selling it a separate and with the trends over the last decades with paywalls, DLC, subscriptions and every other bad practice it just doesn't bode well as more and more of the masses are entering gaming and just throwing money at it without thinking. It seems like almost on a weekly basis a new can of worms is opening for the worse and no matter how much people gripe about it they still go out and support it and then complain about it. The pre order or the money they paid for the game gave the OK for the rest of the industry to continue doing this because they said they wanted it when they paid for it. And yes Painkiller hell and damnation pissed me off. How are you going to release a 10 year old game for $30 with half the content then put the other half out for another 30 making it a full price retail re-release? And they probably wonderex why a lot of us didn't touch anything past the demo because I sure as hell wasn't gonna fall for that one. Call me old and cynical and pessimistic but I'm sick of games being dumbed down but I'm even more sick of them being chopped up and sold to me in pieces almost as if its a drip feed. I haven't forgotten how the gaming industry worked for nearly 30 years so it's not like they're going to pull the wool over my eyes and trick me with this garbage and I'm sure I'm not the only one.
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Post by vetus on Feb 12, 2015 7:41:03 GMT -5
When I first saw that link, I thought somebody had linked this one site that was going around giving bad reviews to games like Arkham Asylum and Sonic 2 just to be a dickhole. If you want to see really bad reviews (but only for shmups), check out this thread: shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=33343There was even a review at an old video games magazine (when Dreamcast was still alive in the market) saying that Bangai-O was a crappy game.
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Post by GamerL on Feb 12, 2015 7:54:06 GMT -5
As far as I can tell with Evolve it's a game with a ton of DLC, which it wouldn't be the first one, but for reasons that elude even me it's got all the cynics up in arms like few games ever have before.
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Post by Joseph Joestar on Feb 12, 2015 8:44:35 GMT -5
When I first saw that link, I thought somebody had linked this one site that was going around giving bad reviews to games like Arkham Asylum and Sonic 2 just to be a dickhole. If you want to see really bad reviews (but only for shmups), check out this thread: shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=33343There was even a review at an old video games magazine (when Dreamcast was still alive in the market) saying that Bangai-O was a crappy game. SCHMUCKS is a great place to find hilarious reviews and comments. I guess with all of the patterns and repetition, it makes sense that a certain type of person would be attracted to hardcore shooting games. As far as I can tell with Evolve it's a game with a ton of DLC, which it wouldn't be the first one, but for reasons that elude even me it's got all the cynics up in arms like few games ever have before. Yeah it just looks like something that I'm not in the demographic for. Which is fine, there's plenty of other stuff coming out. I'm not looking forward to when this business model becomes the standard for all games, though.
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Post by dskzero on Feb 12, 2015 9:05:37 GMT -5
I hadn't even realized that game existed and I'm kinda glad.
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Post by Garamoth on Feb 12, 2015 9:15:28 GMT -5
Well, regarding Evolve, it's pretty damn unfortunate that the pricing scheme can only be understood with a grocery shopping list: Which is a shame, because the game looks pretty cool. It's both an asymmetrical team FPS and it has real class specialization.
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Post by thoothan on Feb 12, 2015 10:03:22 GMT -5
nice, sounds like a game i'm not going to play
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Post by Garamoth on Feb 12, 2015 10:21:41 GMT -5
And if you read between the lines, the game has every shady DLC practice all rolled into one:
- DLC content whose total cost is more than twice that of the game - Season Pass for buying DLC that doesn't exist yet - Multiple levels of collector's editions - Pre-order exclusives - "DLC" that lets you skip grinding - Timed exclusives for PC (lesser offence, I guess)
At least, that's if I understand all of this correctly. The only thing missing would be Kickstarter backer exclusives and microtransactions for health and ammo, then you'd have everything.
Can you remember the time when people were whining about decorative horse armor for two bucks? Those were the days!
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Post by vetus on Feb 12, 2015 11:56:23 GMT -5
I guess with all of the patterns and repetition, it makes sense that a certain type of person would be attracted to hardcore shooting games. What's that supposed to mean?
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