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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2015 7:37:08 GMT -5
They probably figured most people would never know about the Japanese Bomberman 64. On that point, they would have been correct.
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Post by Scylla on Jun 6, 2015 13:16:59 GMT -5
Well, that wouldn't have even been a concern at the time the Baku Bomberman games were renamed for the West since the Japanese Bomberman 64 didn't come out until years later. So you could blame Hudson of Japan for choosing a name that was already in use elsewhere in the world, but then that game never got localized (and never would've, considering it was such a late release and completely 2D) so it wasn't a big concern (even if they had localized it, it would've been as easy as changing that game's name too, anyway).
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Post by KeeperBvK on Jun 7, 2015 4:28:49 GMT -5
Still it's hard to argue with the Western name "Bomberman 64" being the laziest option they could come up with.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2015 4:40:44 GMT -5
Still it's hard to argue with the Western name "Bomberman 64" being the laziest option they could come up with. Seems a lot more appropriate to me than "Quest 64".
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Post by kal on Jun 8, 2015 7:40:03 GMT -5
I gotta laugh when Western gamers sometimes make up names for the Japanese Bomberman 64 like "Bomberman Arcade" just because they're too hung up on Baku Bomberman being called "Bomberman 64" in the West. Honestly, I kinda wish the localization had gone with a different title. Not only does it get confusing with the later Japanese release of the same name, but usually when a title was "series name + 64" it implied something that was pretty faithful to the past games but on N64, usually in 3D. The Baku Bomberman games were more like a spin-off series, playing significantly differently from classic Bomberman, and I think that would've been better expressed with a different kind of title, instead of disappointing Westerners who thought it'd be more like the older games. So in that way, I think it's very appropriate that the Japanese Bomberman to receive the "Bomberman 64" title was the one most similar to the Bomberman games on older platforms. I've got to disagree with the suggestion that titles with *64* in them were faithful but just 3d when by the very nature of 3d they played radically different. Mario now took place in large open semi-linear worlds, Excitebike was now on tracks rather than a linear ride, Donkey Kong 64 again same as Mario very different, only the games that were basically 3d to begin with (Starfox, Pilot Wings etc) really remained true to their predecessor. Bomberman 64 especially in the west never stood out as an odd name. If they'd have called Bomberman Hero, Bomberman 64 that would have been quite weird however.
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Post by Scylla on Jun 8, 2015 12:44:44 GMT -5
That's true, the transition from 2D to 3D almost always resulted in significant changes, but I think that was more a matter of course than a deliberate attempt to stray. The Baku Bomberman games surely could've been more like the older Bomberman games, but it was basically conceived as a spin-off series from the get-go. But games that were titled "[series name] + 64" were typically perceived as simply the next entry in the main series and expected to be similar, even if going from 2D to full 3D naturally changed things. Of course, if developers really wanted to stay faithful, they could've all made their sequels 2.5D, but that would've come off as holding the games back from being truly next gen. And in some cases I think slight title changes had weight. Like I think it's pretty notable that Donkey Kong 64 was not "Donkey Kong Country 64", so one shouldn't expect it to be a direct follow-up to the SNES series (and it was clear that it wasn't a follow-up to the old arcade games either). Or look at Tetrisphere and the Japanese Tetris 64; the first makes it clear that you're getting a new spin on Tetris, while the latter reflects its more faithful to the classic formula nature.
But then you have games like Castlevania 64, which gave people the impression of simply being the next entry in the Castlevania series, but it was vastly different from both SotN and the classic Castlevania games, so it was met with frustration. Or Mega Man 64, which wasn't as well-received on N64 as it was on PlayStation as Mega Man Legends, because Mega Man fans who stuck with Nintendo, who had no other Mega Man games on the N64, were wanting or expecting something like classic Mega Man, not a spin-off dubbed "Mega Man 64" as if it was an entry in the main series.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2015 16:10:09 GMT -5
I much prefer the original name for that one, Dracula Apocalypse. Makes the game sound a hell of a lot more interesting than it actually was.
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Post by vid on Sept 27, 2015 16:42:34 GMT -5
I didn't even know there were worthwhile single player bomberman games. Then again I like single player Chuchu Rocket! and the general preference for that game seems to be all on multiplayer too.
As far as multiplayer, I wish a more modern entry or at least a re-release of one of the better iterations on PC would happen. It seems perfect for online multiplayer gaming. It seems sad to me how it's faded in popularity. It was probably the most fun multiplayer game I played when I was a kid.
I guess in some sense I'm reminded of the Worms games in that it seems there's not a lot you can add or change to the formula without changing the experience or balance drastically. For me games like these should perhaps be treated more like board games with different game variations and lots of customization so you can use or not use certain powerups.
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Post by vetus on Sept 28, 2015 13:14:17 GMT -5
Is Bomberman one of the IPs that Konami is selling? I hope so. Nintendo, please buy it and revive 3D Bomberman for 3DS. Why isn't that on VC? It was the crazy crossover trend before they became cool. They didn't even released Bomberman 64 for VC at Wii and yet they only released Bomberman Hero which was less popular but still good. Unfortunately the VC port has frame rate issues (at least in my Wii). Oh yeah, I love this. From my favorite shmup.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2015 14:23:46 GMT -5
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I'm too old to find vulgarity in itself amusing, but "I'm so fucking proud of I could just shit!" is so nonsensically stupid.
And, y'know, the audacity of having a kid-safe character spout verbal garbage. It was too early for South Park notoriety.
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Post by Catalyst on Sept 28, 2015 14:40:57 GMT -5
Isn't there a Bomberman spin-off that apes the Pokemon formula?
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Post by 🧀Son of Suzy Creamcheese🧀 on Sept 28, 2015 15:09:10 GMT -5
NSFW I'm too old to find vulgarity in itself amusing, but "I'm so fucking proud of I could just shit!" is so nonsensically stupid. And, y'know, the audacity of having a kid-safe character spout verbal garbage. It was too early for South Park notoriety. I wonder what the story behind them is.
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Post by hummy on Sept 28, 2015 15:14:09 GMT -5
Isn't there a Bomberman spin-off that apes the Pokemon formula? You're probably thinking of Bomberman Tournament for the GBA, which I wouldn't really say "apes" the Pokemon formula since the monsters you raise and grow aren't a huge feature (at least from what I remember).
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2015 15:19:41 GMT -5
The charaboms originated in the Max subseries, I think, before it bled into a few other games. Max even had that asinine dual game formula.
Bomberman was a guinea pig of a franchise, even compared Mega Man and Sonic.
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Post by vetus on Sept 28, 2015 16:20:16 GMT -5
Atomic Bomberman was from my first Bomberman games and I was enjoying it with my brother and cousin. The only problem was the lack of Story Mode. Bomberman was a guinea pig of a franchise, even compared Mega Man and Sonic. The good thing is that Bomberman did it right, combining perfectly Bomberman gameplay and/or feeling with other popular games from other companies: - Super Bomberman added the feature of riding animals, taking advance of Yoshi's popularity at Super Mario World (although Hudson did it first before SMB with Adventure Island games at NES) - Bomberman 64 combines nicely Super Mario 64 3D exploration with Bomberman bomb action - Bomberman Tournament and Bomberman Quest are great games a la Zelda - Bomberman Land series are party games like Mario Party (note that Hudson developed all Mario Party games until Konami closed Hudson) but more enjoyable (I was never fan of Mario Party series and any other games in same style excluding Wii Party) even at single player mode - Bomberman Fantasy Race is quite a fresh and well-made racing game that doesn't tries to be another Mario Kart clone (although they did it few years later) - Bomberman Max series despite using the assistance of monsters partners to take advance of Pokemon craze, they still play and feel like typical Bomberman games with new, fresh air
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