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Post by moran on Dec 3, 2015 8:35:39 GMT -5
Dont want to gum up the general thread and figured we could talk about some flicks. Mainly because I just watched the below trailer. And I can say that I am not looking forward to this one at all. Awful dialogue, too much cgi, and the reveal at the end looks really, really bad. Enjoy.
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Post by GamerL on Dec 3, 2015 9:05:41 GMT -5
I hated Man of Steel so chances are I'm gonna just skip this one.
What's a shame is I think Zack Snyder would have been a good fit for just Batman and should have been the choice when Christopher Nolan was done, I happen to like Zack Snyder for the most part, but he was not a good fit for Superman.
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Post by moran on Dec 3, 2015 9:51:58 GMT -5
He's not, but then again, I've only really liked 300. There's just something about these DC movies that rub me the wrong way, but I can't put my finger on it.
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Post by lurker on Dec 3, 2015 9:56:34 GMT -5
DC's "no humor" rule probably doesn't help things.
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Post by Joseph Joestar on Dec 3, 2015 10:10:03 GMT -5
To play devil's advocate, there was finally a scene at the end where they weren't fighting each other and/or totally looking like villains.
But that's it. The CGI looks like shit. Doomsday/Zod looks like a turd monster with a scrotum chin. Lex Luthor looks/acts like he's got scoliosis and hasn't shit in ten years.
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Post by lurker on Dec 3, 2015 10:46:18 GMT -5
Someone raised a good question. Why does his voice sound modulated when it's not covered by the mask?
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Post by moran on Dec 3, 2015 11:47:33 GMT -5
To play devil's advocate, there was finally a scene at the end where they weren't fighting each other and/or totally looking like villains. I will also give it that, however fleeting it is. The whole "I thought she was with you" is just dumb though. I'm tired of the goofball Lex as well. Why can't he just be the no joke, all business character that he's always been in the books. He's more formidable like that. And Doomsday looks like a mix of Abomination from Norton's Hulk with Bay's TMNT face slapped on it.
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Post by Resident Tsundere on Dec 3, 2015 21:21:14 GMT -5
I saw this one really good screen grab comparing The Incredible Hulk's Abomination with (possibly) Doomsday in Batman V. Superman, and the characters and the shots looked almost exactly alike.
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Post by chronotigger65 on Dec 3, 2015 22:25:51 GMT -5
And why isn't Lex Luthor bald?
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Post by moran on Dec 3, 2015 22:59:22 GMT -5
Lex isn't always bald. He's been shown with red hair while he was younger. In some stories Superman caused his hair loss, sparking Luther's hatred for him. But, my money is on it being a wig. Just like the other theatrical Luther's.
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Post by Weasel on Dec 4, 2015 2:27:21 GMT -5
I miss DC Animated Lex.
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Post by Pitchfork on Dec 4, 2015 2:36:28 GMT -5
I miss the smarmy Young Justice version of Lex.
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Post by GamerL on Dec 4, 2015 4:49:46 GMT -5
Can I just add that the obvious thing to do for DC movies after Nolan was done was to go retro?
Imagine a live action Batman set in a dark, art deco Gotham city along the lines of The Animated Series or a Superman set in the era the character was born, the 1930's?
Retro styled settings are just about the only that hasn't been done in modern superhero movies (except for the first Captain America, which was actually the most interesting thing about that movie), it would add something fresh, instead WB styled Superman after the Nolan Batmans with a "dark and gritty" modern style and it's just not a good fit, seeing 9/11 esque imagery in a superhero movies just gives me bad vibes, it takes me right out of the movie.
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Post by Weasel on Dec 4, 2015 13:36:47 GMT -5
Imagine a live action Batman set in a dark, art deco Gotham city along the lines of The Animated Series or a Superman set in the era the character was born, the 1930's? Oh, fuck yeah, a Superman in the style of Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow, or The Rocketeer, would be amazing. Might actually draw people back to Superman movies, in an era where the best reaction one gets from them is "meh."
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Post by Neo Rasa on Dec 4, 2015 14:38:45 GMT -5
Imagine a live action Batman set in a dark, art deco Gotham city along the lines of The Animated Series or a Superman set in the era the character was born, the 1930's? Oh, fuck yeah, a Superman in the style of Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow, or The Rocketeer, would be amazing. Might actually draw people back to Superman movies, in an era where the best reaction one gets from them is "meh." Man of Steel made like $700,000,000+ and is well regarded outside of nerd internet forums. I never understood people that think DC has a "no humor" rule either. Begins/DK/DKR have several moments each where they're goofy as hell and have tons of winks and nods to the audience. The entire finale of DKR is "some days you just can't rid of a bomb." The microwave emitter in Batman Begins is literally the dehydrator in Batman: The Movie from 1966. Dark Knight intentionally makes Batman look like a fascist chump with no self-awareness. I think it works really well, Warner Bros. wanted this more "grounded" and "realistic" take on the character. Nolan delivered that while also delivering a trilogy of movies the point of which is "Batman" as a long term concept does more harm than good. I appreciate the story across the three movies went in that direction while still having a lot of good action and performances. The more I read about why Man of Steel in particular is disliked by some though, I think it's more because it didn't play out as a 100% power fantasy. After Superman Returns came out, the resounding plea among fans across the internet and general audiences alike was "Can't we just get a movie where Superman punches a giant robot just once?!" Like if Zod got sucked into the Phantom Zone with the rest of his crew when the good guys busted up the engine and Superman cracked a one liner no one would have batted an eye about it. It felt in a way like a direct cinematic conversation with how in Avengers 1 they were intentionally evocative of imagery of 9/11 in this hilariously triumphant way once the final battle was over. In Man of Steel him killing Zod at the end being a sad and awkward moment that made people uncomfortable isn't an accident. I appreciated that they wove what a shitty situation that is into Superman's thoughts on how or if it's worth trying to fit into human society. The conflict between how Jor-El wanted him to assimilate into human society while Zod wanted him to remain pure even at humanity's expense being, but he ends the movie as a character that's doing a little of both. That's cool. It also sets the stage for a Superman that would never want to take another life again no matter what as by killing Zod he just erased his own race and most of his culture. I think I'd watch a two hour movie set entirely on Man of Steel's version of Krypton, fantastic. This is going to sound stupid but I'm really disappointed in how the CG Doomsday in BvS looks like a CG Doomsday. It would have been cool to see a drastically different take on how the character looks given how successfully all of the Kryptonian technology and characters are portrayed in Man of Steel. I'm excited to see Batman vs. Superman, I'm sure it will be fun. I'm curious to see what if anything they plan on actually borrowing from Dark Knight Returns and Death of Superman beyond just the superficial. It will be interesting since people are assuming a lot of influence from Returns, but politically, these characters are on opposite ends of the spectrum compared to how that comic played out. One thing with Zach Snyder though, I'd compare him to Ridley Scott or Nolan in that they don't really care who writes their movie because they are completely pure visual storytellers. The scripts are like an afterthought because of the level of performances and tone they pull out of their movies. Like you could watch Interstellar or even Dawn of the Dead 2004 with just the dialogue removed and no other changes and still follow everything about where the characters are at, how they're feeling, what they want and what they're dealing with. The downside of that is that mega-hack David S. Goyer lucked out and wormed his way into being "comic book movie script guy" be being paired with movies that have both great directors and incredible casting to carry the weight of his weak words. Like I would kill to see a DC movie directed by Snyder that isn't written by David S. Goyer. *I didn't realize they were casting someone so young as Luthor. It kind of fits though. Having him look and sound like a douche bag tech bro is more in line with the people directly messing up our economy and real estate now compared to something like Gene Hackman's evil plans. Plus I think we reached peak live action large bald villain already with Vincent D'Onofrio as Wilson Fisk so I can understand why they didn't go for the version used in the DCAU. I do hope that now that he has long red hair in BvS they do have Superman cause its loss in some way. *Blade is the best comic book movie ever despite being written by Goyer because something like half the dialogue was improvised as Udo Kier, Snipes, etc. would look at the script during casting/pre-production and basically be like "this is dumb as hell." Almost everything cool Snipes does is improvised.
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