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Post by moran on Dec 23, 2015 22:27:49 GMT -5
According to the Thrawne books they could use the force. The risky part was that they just about always went crazy because of the process.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2015 22:29:35 GMT -5
Ahh, okay. That would make more sense. I never actually read the Thrawn ones!
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Post by moran on Dec 23, 2015 22:49:20 GMT -5
They're actually pretty good. Set the entire EU in motion.
IIRC, there's some cloning nonsense in Dark Empire as well. But it all may be a moot point since when ESB was written none of this stuff was around so I'm sure that Lucas and Kasdan didn't think twice about it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2015 23:03:15 GMT -5
Yeah, the whole thing about clone Palpatines was just total bullshit.
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Post by bakudon on Dec 24, 2015 2:54:39 GMT -5
I understood that cloning people was thought to be morally iffy, so perhaps that’s why they wouldn’t do it parts of people, either?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2015 3:05:02 GMT -5
At any rate, I'm not a fan of what the Clone Wars turned out to be. I always envisioned them as being about clones being produced as sleeper agents to replace important people in society, not a war named after the type of soldiers used to fight a rebellion.
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Post by moran on Dec 24, 2015 7:11:10 GMT -5
They were really disappointing. And I know the war itself was never really meant to be shown, that we just needed to know that it happened. But just an army of generic clones led by Jedi generals was quite boring. And I was more into the idea that Boba Fett was just a left over, rogue clone better than the story we got. Sometimes origin story are better left untold.
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Post by GamerL on Dec 24, 2015 22:52:13 GMT -5
They were really disappointing. And I know the war itself was never really meant to be shown, that we just needed to know that it happened. But just an army of generic clones led by Jedi generals was quite boring. And I was more into the idea that Boba Fett was just a left over, rogue clone better than the story we got. Sometimes origin story are better left untold. Exactly, sometimes backstory should just stay backstory, I think prequels in general are often not a great idea, though there are exceptions, Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater is I think one of the best prequels in any medium, but it helps that Snake Eater mostly tells it's own story without constantly filling in backstory from the later games.
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Post by Kubo Caskett on Dec 25, 2015 0:40:26 GMT -5
I just got back from seeing Episode VII in theaters and I'm just wowed by how awesome the movie is. I mean I think it just surpassed not just the Prequels but the Originals as well. It was worth seeing every frame of it, from the opening screen to the ending credits.
Though the odd thing is that there never was any logo of some kind to give that epic feeling as the six films had (you know with the 20th century fox intro); not even the Disney one despite them owning Star Wars yet it showed Lucasfilms. I don't get it but I'm just too pleased with Episode VII to care; not to mention that I saw it right on Christmas Eve, talk about a real Star Wars Holiday Special.
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Post by Sac (a.k.a Icaras) on Dec 25, 2015 1:19:24 GMT -5
I saw this last night, really enjoyed it. On the issue of Luke, I'm actually liking how he turned out, in that we at least got to see him (I personally would have been pissed if Luke no showed, he's my favourite Star Wars character), but at the same time, I think it was a nice place to have a cliff hanger. In terms of the new characters, I think Kylo Ren was a big baby, given all his tantrums, but at the same time this didn't diminish the character, given his conflicted nature. I like how he's trying so hard to be a dark side bad ass like darth vader, but it seems like deep down he kinda knows he doens't really want this, but is trying to convince himself otherwise. Finn was ok, but he didn't stand out as much as I expected (I lie he is of course A BIG DEAL ). Rey ended up being my fav, and I like that she's being positioned to be the main jedi hero of the trilogy (I like female heroes, it's why i'm looking forward to wonder woman getting her movie and also why I liked xena(tho lucy lawless being awesome helped with that last one )) I'd still rate a new hope as my favourite and I did kinda notice this felt liek it was following the same kinda story, but I still enjoyed it and would rate it my 2nd fav. Looking forward to the next one, tho I don't plan to watch it again til I get it on blueray (and I may wait til the trilogy is done so I can get a box set...a long wait!)
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Post by Kubo Caskett on Dec 25, 2015 12:10:34 GMT -5
They were really disappointing. And I know the war itself was never really meant to be shown, that we just needed to know that it happened. But just an army of generic clones led by Jedi generals was quite boring. And I was more into the idea that Boba Fett was just a left over, rogue clone better than the story we got. Sometimes origin story are better left untold. Exactly, sometimes backstory should just stay backstory, I think prequels in general are often not a great idea, though there are exceptions, Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater is I think one of the best prequels in any medium, but it helps that Snake Eater mostly tells it's own story without constantly filling in backstory from the later games. Meh, me, I was quite somewhat satisfied that at least we see how the Clone Wars began but I really wish it took up like half of the movie hence the title "Attack of the Clones" but I digress. As for backstory, I rather know more than to be shown nothing when it comes to stuff like that, like the old saying, "knowing is half the battle".
Speaking of which, one thing I dislike about Episode VII is that it's somewhat similar to Episode IV and I frankly don't get why. But at least I find it a lot more engaging to watch than Episode IV considering the production values and the better storyline.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2015 12:16:55 GMT -5
It was a conscious move on Disney's part. "People hated the prequels, but they seem to still love the original movies. I know! We'll just make the first movie, but with new characters! They'll LOVE IT."
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Post by Kubo Caskett on Dec 25, 2015 13:25:45 GMT -5
It was a conscious move on Disney's part. "People hated the prequels, but they seem to still love the original movies. I know! We'll just make the first movie, but with new characters! They'll LOVE IT." You know, that reminds me of when I once was sort of into Star Wars but then I grew out of it since everybody was talking about the Originals and not the Prequels, of which they were still going on at the time. And personally I wish Episode VII wasn't much of a rehash of Episode IV only slightly darker, but I digress since the film gave me a really good impression on me.
Come to think of it, I thought you didn't like the movie because of its similarities with Episode IV.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2015 13:31:12 GMT -5
That and a whole laundry list of other reasons. It's glorified fan fiction, in my opinion.
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Post by GamerL on Dec 25, 2015 14:52:10 GMT -5
That and a whole laundry list of other reasons. It's glorified fan fiction, in my opinion. That seems to be the new trend with Hollywood now is movies that feel like fan fiction, there's all these franchises out there that were collecting dust either because the original creators no longer cared or just couldn't get anything off the ground and now the studios have been like "we'll take it from here." Jurassic World felt like that since there no was no direct involvement from Spielberg and Michael Crichton has been dead since 2008, but you know what I think is the most blatant example so far? The up coming Ghostbusters reboot, it really, really bugs me that they're doing that, I feel that Ghostbusters should be exempt from that sort of shit, I mean they even have the nerve to simply call it Ghostbusters! Fuck off Hollywood. It's made all the more sad because Dan Aykroyd tried for years to get a third film off the ground but it just never happened because Bill Murray refused, thanks a lot Bill.
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