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Post by dsparil on Jan 9, 2018 15:40:47 GMT -5
Guitar Hero is a strange case in that it disappeared not because there weren't any games, but because there were too many of them. I think they tried to revive it recently but I don't think the general public still cares anymore at this point. Maybe we should open a topic about video gaming fads that disappeared... Not to mention that the unexpected success of the original ended up destroying the original publisher, Red Octane. Harmonix went to them because they made high quality music game accessories; I think other publishers passed or wouldn't commit to a high quality guitar. What irritates me is that RO made the best DDR pads across all types (floppy, firm, arcade-like metal), but Activision bought them after GH1 and promptly stopped making accessories. I really regret not getting the metal Afterburner pad when I had the chance. At least my Ignition pad still works. GH got poo-pooed for being Unlicensed Guitar Freaks IIDX—Harmonix made a Bemani game so it's not unwarranted— but it's expansion and later destruction of the mainstream music game genre is its ultimate legacy. Konami deserves the shit they get now, but they never stopping making Bemani games (including GF) so they're still okay in my book. Game-wise, the loss of DJ Hero still saddens me. It was a good new concept that only lightly lifted from Beatmania as the "real" gameplay was the possibly 100% accurate scratching at the highest level. "All Eyez on Me"/"Change Clothes" is the kind of really obvious mix that still gets stuck in my head. My favorite will always be "Insane in the Brain"/"Spooky" mainly because Black Sunday is one of my favorite albums, but it's also the kind of completely bizarre pair up that both works and would never be made otherwise.
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Post by GamerL on Jan 9, 2018 19:19:26 GMT -5
Guitar Hero is a strange case in that it disappeared not because there weren't any games, but because there were too many of them. I think they tried to revive it recently but I don't think the general public still cares anymore at this point. Maybe we should open a topic about video gaming fads that disappeared... The rise and fall of Guitar Hero is fascinating, it was fucking HUGE for a time, the kind of thing that even people who don't normally play video games played, this was all around the time of the Wii and the rise of the "casual gamer" swinging Wiimotes or rocking out with plastic guitars. Then it all went into the toilet and never recovered, they did try to revive Guitar Hero not long ago, I wanna say 2015 maybe? But not a single person gave a single fuck. The "causal market" has been totally sapped by other things, first Facebook games, now smartphones games, owning a video game console has now gone back to something only gamers do, so bizarre to look back on the time when Wiimotes and plastic guitars were a thing.
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Post by Preki on Jan 10, 2018 13:55:48 GMT -5
Crusader games. Oh man, what a shame this one died. There had to be a third game and a PSP reboot, and none of them happened. I really miss this Robocop and Star Wars inspired isometric bloodbath. Even if EA would ressurect the franchise, it would be a crappy FPS anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2018 20:11:07 GMT -5
Crusader games. Oh man, what a shame this one died. There had to be a third game and a PSP reboot, and none of them happened. I really miss this Robocop and Star Wars inspired isometric bloodbath. Even if EA would ressurect the franchise, it would be a crappy FPS anyway. For sure. Origin had a ton of great IP that just got pissed down EA's leg.
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Post by Bumpyroad on Jan 11, 2018 5:07:16 GMT -5
Pissers. No Remorse.
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Post by GamerL on Jan 11, 2018 7:03:44 GMT -5
Even though it only had 2 entries would Perfect Dark count as a "dead franchise"? It's clear it was always meant to be something bigger than it turned out to be.
It's too bad because while I haven't played the original yet, I did play Zero last year and thought it was surprisingly good, divorced from having to be the "killer app" launch title of the 360 it's well worth seeking out if you like that style of FPS in the vein of Goldeneye and Timesplitters (which isn't to say it's not without it's flaws, just that it was far better than it's reputation would have you believe)
I see a lot of potential for a third game in the series, I mean hey, it was pretty ahead of it's time for an FPS game to feature a female protagonist, right? (only other example I can think from around that time is No One Lives Forever) that's gotta be worthy of a revival, right?
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Post by Owlman on Jan 11, 2018 8:21:08 GMT -5
Even though it only had 2 entries would Perfect Dark count as a "dead franchise"? It's clear it was always meant to be something bigger than it turned out to be. Nitpick: The Game Boy Colour Perfect Dark is a prequel and not a port, so I'd say that the series has three entries.
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Post by personman on Jan 13, 2018 5:08:09 GMT -5
Shadow Hearts. They just tried their damnedest and no one seemed to care, It's a real tragedy. If they got to keep going I bet their brand is silliness/macabre would be perfect in WW2 and then possibly some obscure parts of history. Plus you know, the gameplay systems were really good too.
Alas.
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Post by kaoru on Jan 13, 2018 6:31:41 GMT -5
Shadow Hearts is strange, because the first game came out mostly overlooked, but garnered a very strong word of mouth of being one of the best JRPGs available (granted, I don't think by then there was all that much competiton). I remember quite some hype surrounding the release of II, which everyone liked to boot, but around FtNW not many seemed to care about the franchise anymore, and the game being rather mediocre didn't help.
Tho, didn't the company between releasing Koudelka and From the New World change names like three or so times, getting aquired by different parent companies? Or do remember that wrong? Because troubles behind the scenes could also be part of the reason they couldn't give the series another chance in time.
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Post by nerdybat on Jan 14, 2018 3:44:39 GMT -5
Half-Life and Streets Of Rage are the two most notable ones for me - both franchises died not because of lack in interest or some kind of "franchise killer", but because they were too good to have a proper follow-up. Valve and Sega got into the same problem of starting and scrapping sequels in the goal of creating a worthy successor, until various creators went away and development died down.
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Post by Owlman on Jan 14, 2018 5:18:42 GMT -5
In the case of HL3, there's also the issue that the expectations are too high. HL3 is likely to disappoint some, if not many, fans, so it's safer to skip it and focus on the money printer that is Steam.
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Post by GamerL on Jan 14, 2018 6:19:32 GMT -5
Shadow Hearts. They just tried their damnedest and no one seemed to care, It's a real tragedy. If they got to keep going I bet their brand is silliness/macabre would be perfect in WW2 and then possibly some obscure parts of history. Plus you know, the gameplay systems were really good too. Alas. Shadow Hearts is a strange beast, how many series made it to three entries without ever really being a huge thing? You can say it's a shame the series didn't continue but you can also say it was pretty lucky to make it to 3 in the first place. And what would a non-PS2 Shadow Hearts even look like? It's one of the most "PS2" PS2 series ever. But I think From a New World's big problem was simply when it was released, 2006, everyone was so laser focused on the imminent release of the PS3 that I feel like anything on the PS2 that year got overlooked, the only one I can think of off the top of my head making waves was Okami and that was a cult classic at best. But there's a lot of hidden gems on the PS2 from 2006. Anyway, thanks for reminding me that I actually need to play Shadow Hearts Covenant and From a New World, I bought them in 2016 and honestly forgot I even had them.
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Post by Bumpyroad on Jan 14, 2018 7:08:50 GMT -5
Shadow Hearts. They just tried their damnedest and no one seemed to care, It's a real tragedy. If they got to keep going I bet their brand is silliness/macabre would be perfect in WW2 and then possibly some obscure parts of history. Plus you know, the gameplay systems were really good too. Alas. ..how many series made it to three entries without ever really being a huge thing? There are dozens that don't show signs of life despite being "big", a few examples: Resistance 3, F.E.A.R. 3, Ninja Gaiden 3, Army of Two trilogy, Dead Space 3, Lost Planet 3, Crysis 3. Would like to know, what's the secret behind all this.
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Post by GamerL on Jan 14, 2018 7:30:31 GMT -5
..how many series made it to three entries without ever really being a huge thing? There are dozens that don't show signs of life despite being "big", a few examples: Resistance 3, F.E.A.R. 3, Ninja Gaiden 3, Army of Two trilogy, Dead Space 3, Lost Planet 3, Crysis 3. Would like to know, what's the secret behind all this. Most of those you mention had at least one big hit though, Shadow Hearts never had a big hit. Funny you mention Resistance though, is that the only Sony franchise started in the PS3 era to be left behind? I still have yet to play Resistance 3 so I have no clue whether it's story leaves room open for another one or not, but I've heard zero talk of a new one on the PS4 and after all this time it doesn't look likely. Resistance was a never very big though, always seemed like an also ran among 7th gen franchises, I remember enjoying the first two but after an attempted revisit in 2015 I found them to be pretty dated. Speaking of Sony though I wonder if Twisted Metal will ever get another revival or if that 2012 one is the last for good.
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Post by Bumpyroad on Jan 14, 2018 7:48:16 GMT -5
There are dozens that don't show signs of life despite being "big", a few examples: Resistance 3, F.E.A.R. 3, Ninja Gaiden 3, Army of Two trilogy, Dead Space 3, Lost Planet 3, Crysis 3. Would like to know, what's the secret behind all this. Funny you mention Resistance though, is that the only Sony franchise started in the PS3 era to be left behind? Motorstorm and LittleBigPlanet maybe? Might be a little to early to judge tho..
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