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Post by Discoalucard on Oct 28, 2008 17:52:31 GMT -5
This was one of the first articles on the site, and it shows. Practically every beat-em-up article that came afterward totally outclasses it. The Revenge and Streetwise stuff is complete (although Rey sent me shots from MAME for Revenge that I still need to put up) but the stuff on the core series drastically needs to be rewritten and expanded. I played through the arcade version with Onyx a few weeks back but I really need to give the later SNES games another go-through. I also don't understand why the hell Kurt (or anyone else for that matter) refers to Maki as a "Mai Shiranui ripoff". The only thing is common is that they're modern-day female ninjas that both happen to be wearing red. Their outfits are hardly alike and they don't even have the same fighting style. Not to mention Final Fight 2 came only a few months after Fatal Fury 2. How many modern day red-wearing scantily clad female ninjas do you know? It's undoubtedly coincidental, but her design feels really redundant when you see her together with Mai in Capcom vs SNK 2. EDIT: Someone actually quoted me by name on Wikipedia about that? That actually kinda creeps me out!
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Post by ReyVGM on Oct 28, 2008 19:37:01 GMT -5
Actually, the shots are from the Saturn version, but it's basically the same thing.
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Post by Ryu the Grappler on Oct 28, 2008 20:31:48 GMT -5
Someone actually quoted me by name on Wikipedia about that? That actually kinda creeps me out! Yeah, that struck me as odd too, considering HG101 is more of a independently maintained fansite than a so-called "professional site" which meets Wikipedia's requirements for a "reliable source". Then again the same guy who added that bit also insisted on using an incorrect birthdate for Mike Haggar's Wikipedia article which he took from Tiamat's Street Fighter Plot Guide, which was a birthdate that was made up by one of the authors (and later corrected IIRC) due to some minor plot inconsistency between Final Fight and the Street Fighter Alpha.
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Post by ReyVGM on Oct 28, 2008 21:03:48 GMT -5
Where can I see that quote? I went to the article and saw no quote from Kurt.
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Post by Discoalucard on Oct 28, 2008 21:16:04 GMT -5
This one: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maki_(Final_Fight)Someone once put me in the Policenauts Wikipedia article saying I supported it coming out in English. Which was also really odd. A lot of people supported it! Doesn't mean that it had any real effect or was of any real importance. Last I checked it was deleted. There's so much circularity with Wikipedia. Like I used their pages to help guide my Dragon Quest article, then someone goes back and uses it at a reference to the very same page I looked at. I think they footnoted it as proof that the games took place in a fantasy European medieval type setting, which is pretty self evident by looking at the games and probably doesn't need a reference. What a strange place.
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Post by Ryu the Grappler on Oct 28, 2008 21:41:35 GMT -5
Exactly. It happened also when MGS4 was still in development. IIRC, a Wikipedia editor once wrote that the game's story was going to be set in the year 2015 due to a comment made by Kojima that Old Snake was going to be the same age he was at the time (which was a purely speculative conjecture and I don't think Kojima's comment was meant to be taken literally). So someone added the "citation needed" tag. Needless to say, some random article basically just paraphrased the plot summary from Wikipedia and everyone started citing that as a source. It turns out that MGS4 was set in 2014 and not in 2015. That's why when someone cites a fan-written plot guide as a source, I delete that and insist on using the original source instead. Bad sourcing - According to Tiamat's Street Fighter Plot Guide, a fan-written FAQ which was has information from All About Capcom, Hadoken no Nazo and Street Fighter Eternal Challenge, Poison is guy. Good sourcing - According to page 339 of All About Capcom, Poison is a guy.
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Post by Ryu the Grappler on Oct 28, 2008 21:45:25 GMT -5
Going back on-topic: I think the article should at least mention the 1992 X68k port that was released in Japan only. It was the closest thing to having the arcade version at home before the CCC version came out.
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Post by Smithee on Oct 28, 2008 22:22:10 GMT -5
going back off topic: Sotenga is also referenced in the Strider article and Bionic Commando article.
on topic: I think I'll have to give the games another chance. I played the first game, but the other Capcom games are just better. Still thats a little unfair.
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Post by shakezoola on Jun 24, 2010 4:24:42 GMT -5
Theres an error in the Final Fight article. I registered JUST TO POST THIS. Anyway, it calles Maki a 'Sexy Mai Shiranui rip-off' Which is incorrect, since Mai (and the KOF series) didn't appear for another year. Meaning that, in fact, MAI is a MAKI RIP-OFF. There, your mind blown. I'd like my cupcake now, please. edit-article link: www.hardcoregaming101.net/finalfight/finalfight.htm
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Post by Discoalucard on Jun 24, 2010 7:10:24 GMT -5
Yeah I think this was discussed like a year ago or so, but I never got around to fixing it, since I'd sorta intended to rewrite the whole thing, and then didn't.
Their similarities are quite uncanny though.
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Post by derboo on Jun 24, 2010 8:28:22 GMT -5
Ehrm... Mai first appeared in Fatal Fury 2, which gamefaqs lists released in 1992 for arcades.
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Post by Shellshock on Jun 24, 2010 9:30:39 GMT -5
Yeah, there's this SNK series called Fatal Fury... It's totally obscure and only I know about it... and it's also a rip off of KOF...
There, I blew your mind.
Anyways shakezoola, I'm just posting here to let you know that YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE REGISTERED AT ALL.
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Post by derboo on Jun 24, 2010 13:30:24 GMT -5
Quick, insert an emoticon! Especially with that avatar it's gonna feel as if you're saying it directly to his/her face.
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Post by Ryu the Grappler on Jun 24, 2010 14:11:21 GMT -5
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Post by Weasel on Jun 24, 2010 16:46:33 GMT -5
I actually prefer Maki over Mai, because at least she's not prone to acting as a fanservice girl (though admittedly Capcom didn't give her much of a personality, even in CvS2).
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