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Post by Smithee of Zur-En-Arrh on Mar 16, 2010 20:05:08 GMT -5
It IS similar, but he specifically stated that he doesn't know if people are the same, but that's the way he is. Frankly, I'm pretty similar to him.
Plus, I've seen every episode of Full House. I didn't enjoy every episode, Jesus Christ, no sirree, but I've seen every episode.
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Post by ryochan on Mar 16, 2010 22:17:02 GMT -5
Don't know Bob Saget's comedy, but that reminds me a lot of Robin Williams and his stand up vs movies. In an interview with Sagat, he once talked about the "Mother Squad", who would come out anytime he was doing anything inappropriate. He talks about putting a box on his lap and asking some of the girls (the staff) to reach in for a gift, and I guess of the four playing the daughters, one was around. A moment later, he said all three mothers walked out, arms crossed and ready to take him on.
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Post by Scylla on Mar 17, 2010 3:21:11 GMT -5
I dislike furries just for the fact that they tend to be among the most obnoxious people online. With the excessive use of Japanese-style smileys, making topics to give out "huggles", displaying the emotional maturity of a 12-year-old even when they're MUCH older than that, coming up with "fursonas" that have names that sound like bad Lord of the Rings names mixed with corny animal puns and then making elaborate ridiculous back stories and posting in character, and covering every pixel of their avatar/sig/etc. in horrible furry art that they think is amazing even though it's so thoroughly awful looking just on a technical level alone (I swear, they have the lowest standards in the entire fan art world).
And I say all this despite that I adore Tail Concerto. It's also annoying how something having furry characters makes it automatically awesome to them, despite what flaws it may have or, on the flip side, what other redeemable traits it may have. I think it's really sad that most of Tail Concerto's fans wouldn't give a damn about it if not for the furries, despite that I think it would be a great game even if the characters were normal humans.
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Post by wyrdwad on Mar 17, 2010 3:37:16 GMT -5
I know the furries you speak of, as I've encountered that sort as well... but to be fair, the majority of furries I know online are NOT like that at all. They're good, fun people, just like all of us.
I guess it all depends on the crowd you hang out with!
-Tom
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Post by syntheticgerbil on Mar 17, 2010 10:11:20 GMT -5
I don't really know what to say about the rest here, I'm always going to put weight into an artist's personal preference along their commercial stuff. Also, I think the Bob Saget on Full House thing is the weirdest shit ever after learning about it years back, but I guess Full House was already ruined for me just by being a bad show in the first place. I do like when Saget uses Full House references in his disgusting comedy. And I say all this despite that I adore Tail Concerto. It's also annoying how something having furry characters makes it automatically awesome to them, despite what flaws it may have or, on the flip side, what other redeemable traits it may have. I think it's really sad that most of Tail Concerto's fans wouldn't give a damn about it if not for the furries, despite that I think it would be a great game even if the characters were normal humans. Well, that's kind of the cool thing about Inherit the Earth is that instead of just assembling a bunch of furry artists to make the furry game they always dreamed of, it was instead used to actually make a cohesive plot about a different kind of apocalypse and a statement on technological advances and how worlds evolve. I guess what would have probably helped seal the deal even more is what if the art team doing this game were actually artists without furry fetishes (or drawing sick furry porn on the side) that just happened to draw anthropomorphic animals because the project required it. I think the fable type animal look would have been much more cohesive and maybe many things would have gone in a better direction. But even then, although I'm never going to hate the story in Inherit the Earth, the biggest problem is again, still the ridiculously padded out maze-like map areas and adventure-lite game design.
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Post by Smithee of Zur-En-Arrh on Mar 17, 2010 12:47:55 GMT -5
Yeah, I brought that up with my bro once. I dislike furry art because I think it is gross, like I said before. But I LOVE Disney movies, plenty with the animals in it, because they're still like the animals, they're not made up of human parts with an animal head (which can be cool if it's like the guy in Red Earth, but that's different) and covered in fur. They're just animals standing up!
There's a big difference there for me. To me, when I think of how a furry would think, and I bet most of them probably wouldn't think this way, but I think it'd be like... say I invited a cute girl over to my house, and she was petting my cat. Instead of thinking, "man she is she ever hot. If only she were petting me right now, if you know what I mean (;" they'd be thinking "oh boy, what if they were fused... yummy! (ßÍß)"
That's just gross to me.
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Post by Scylla on Mar 17, 2010 13:26:48 GMT -5
I know the furries you speak of, as I've encountered that sort as well... but to be fair, the majority of furries I know online are NOT like that at all. They're good, fun people, just like all of us. I guess it all depends on the crowd you hang out with! -Tom I dunno, it seems to me like maybe you've just been lucky. o_O In the large variety of forums I've been to for well over a decade, I'd say that 95% of the furries are like as I described, maybe not fitting every detail but definitely some. I have come across some furries that behave like the average typical poster like you'd find around here, but I definitely wouldn't say they come remotely close to being the majority. More like swimming in a sea of weirdos. Most don't come off as sexual deviants, though, I agree to that. At least not outwardly, but who knows what they do behind closed doors. They just seem really obsessed with the cuteness of it. To their defense the ages of furries do tend to skew really young, so I'm more inclined to excuse their nauseating behavior if they're in their pre/early-teens or mid-teens. But that just makes the older ones come off as all the creepier.
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Post by wyrdwad on Mar 17, 2010 14:15:11 GMT -5
I really don't think I've "just been lucky," since like I said, most of my cool furry friends also go to places like Anthrocon regularly, and talk about what a great time they have, and how it's really not that much different than an anime convention. And if a normal person can go to a furry convention and have a great time, that rather implies that most furries are pretty normal people, to me!
Maybe it's just that the obnoxious variety of furry happens also to be the loudest and most trolling? Or maybe you've just been to the wrong forums! (:
-Tom
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Post by Mr. Faptastic on Mar 17, 2010 16:39:56 GMT -5
SPOILERS: Most furries are completely average people and the loud minority give them a bad name, like every other group ever!
That said they do need to learn to take a joke.
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Post by TheGunheart on Mar 17, 2010 20:04:30 GMT -5
Well, I will admit that in Tail Concerto's case, the game would lose much of its charm without animal characters. To put it in perspective, I'd find Armored Core to lose much of its charm if it were a tank simulator.
I like anthropomorphic animals, but I'm not really into the "furry" culture.
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Post by personman on Mar 18, 2010 0:47:39 GMT -5
Much as it embarrasses me to say, I used to actually take up designing anthropomorphic characters because when I was young I was given games such as Sonic and Star Fox and fell in love with the games and in consequence the characters. I turned away from this practice for much of the reasons many described and I didn't want to be associated with them.
But beyond that I usually don't care for them cause it seems like a cheap way to make a character stand out. Can't make a design that looks interesting or compelling? Make them a bipedal animal. People will either think its cute or the community will latch onto it for the sake of it being anthro... don't know why some fan bases have such accepting standards but its a simple fact.
Now it may just be me since I'm obsessive about characters and everything about them being functional but making your cast a set of walking talking animals just seems really trite in most cases. Take Star Fox for example, what do those characters gain from being those creatures? Nothing really, animals are very different from humans their features such as inhuman speed, sense of smell, or whatever should be utilized in what they do.
Now that is not to say that all of them are bad. I think a successful use of such characters would be the Sly Cooper cast (some of them anyways), raccoons are known for stealing crap and have a bandit mask on their face, well what would make a better thief then?
Besides, I find them nearly impossible to take seriously. They are a type of character to be adored or laughed at. Trying to stick them in anything above a saturday morning cartoon setting is just stupid.
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Post by TheGunheart on Mar 18, 2010 1:29:33 GMT -5
I still draw animal characters myself, but I refuse to sexualize them in any way.
When I'm trying to do a character who's supposed to be cool, I draw a human, but I generally find animal characters more fun to draw.
Though I see where you're coming from: I hate when people just stick a fox head on a human body and put 'em in a generic t-shirt and jeans. I'm actually glad that for Tail Concerto's followup, Solarobo, Nobuteru Yuuki gave the animal characters more stylized bodies.
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Post by wyrdwad on Mar 18, 2010 2:15:59 GMT -5
This is slightly off-topic regarding the game this post relates to, but is on-topic regarding this discussion, so I hope you don't mind the slight divergence here (man, that was hard to phrase without repeating the word "topic" a silly number of times!). I think the thing that's always bothered me about anti-furries is the idea that sexualized furry art is in some way worse than sexualized anime art (i.e. your standard "vanilla" hentai). Like, draw naked sexy art of Naru from Love Hina, or Nenene from R.O.D. the TV, or any other non-loli anime character of your choice, and it's fine... but draw naked sexy art of Princess Sally from Sonic the Hedgehog SatAM, or Morgana MacCawber from Darkwing Duck, or Minnie Mouse, and suddenly, it's horribly objectionable! It just seems like a double-standard to me. I mean, either way, you're sexualizing a cartoon character - what does it matter if it's a human, or a humanOID? The whole idea, I think, is that if that character were real, you'd find her sexy, and want to do things with her - but can any red-blooded male on this board, in all honesty, say that if catgirls were real (like honest-to-goodness biological catgirls, not just normal human girls wearing fake ears and tails or what-not), you wouldn't at least THINK about what "it" might be like with them? I know if alien cat-people landed here tomorrow and began to live amongst us, that thought would certainly cross MY mind! And would furry fandom suddenly become OK, then, since it would have a basis in reality? And what about cartoon universes that mix humans and humanoids? Take Jessica Rabbit from Who Framed Roger Rabbit, for example. Is hentai fan-art of her sick, even though she's depicted as a normal human-looking character in the movie, just because she's married to a cartoon rabbit? It's a fine line to draw, and I just think it's hypocritical of people to criticize furries if they're not also going to criticize hentai fans in general. -Tom
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Post by ryochan on Mar 18, 2010 2:30:20 GMT -5
I don't really know what to say about the rest here, I'm always going to put weight into an artist's personal preference along their commercial stuff. Also, I think the Bob Saget on Full House thing is the weirdest shit ever after learning about it years back, but I guess Full House was already ruined for me just by being a bad show in the first place. This is fine since you're not pressing it off on others, but I feel it's sort of sad to think this way, because, like wyrd says below, this would have to be applied to more than just furries. And as I said before, it would make series like: Langrisser, Growlanser and Assault Suits Valken, something you should avoid, as when you start looking up Satoshi Urushihara, you'll find he's done a lot of hentai character designs. But, to each his/her own.
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Post by Smithee of Zur-En-Arrh on Mar 18, 2010 2:31:13 GMT -5
Question: Are the catgirls simply girls with cat-ears (maybe a tail, but I don't want get that kinda tail) or are they hairy all over like furries are, with a cat face?
Because if it is the latter, the answer is a no. If it is the former, the answer is a maybe, but I certainly wouldn't be racist to either of them.
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