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Post by retr0gamer on Apr 29, 2021 7:54:41 GMT -5
Well, Spyro changed developer so that's a big part of it. Spyro 3 felt like Insomniac were kinda tired of the franchise though so the PS2 game might not have been that much better with them. Whoops, sorry, I wasn't clear. I'm comparing Sony's platformers from PS1 to PS2. On ps1 they had: Spyro 1-3 Crash 1-3 Jumping Flash 1-2 Ape Escape 1 (not played it so not sure if its a platformer or any good) On ps2: Sly 1-3 Jak & Daxter (Can't remember how many there were) Ape Escape 2-3 Ape Escape and Jumping flash are great. Sly 1 and Jak 1 pretty good. The rest are fine. People give out about Mario Sunshine but they are comparing it to Mario 64 which I still think is one of the all time great 3D platformers. It's not as good as 64 but in comparison to what is on the PS2, it's way better, with the exception of the ape escape games which is about as good or better but no Mario 64. I think people saying that the PS2 was a great system for platformers are in the same category as the ones saying CTR is the best cart racer and better than Mario Kart. It's because it's what they know and what they grew up with. Whereas people that were older at the time as well as reviewers on multiformat magazines wouldn't have said the games were bad but wouldn't ave held them up as masterpieces either. The CTR thing always baffled me. Good game but even at the time all the publications found it a bit lacking compared to mario kart. I always felt the boost system and handling were off.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2021 8:29:30 GMT -5
Whoops, sorry, I wasn't clear. I'm comparing Sony's platformers from PS1 to PS2. On ps1 they had: Spyro 1-3 Crash 1-3 Jumping Flash 1-2 Ape Escape 1 (not played it so not sure if its a platformer or any good) On ps2: Sly 1-3 Jak & Daxter (Can't remember how many there were) Ape Escape 2-3 Ape Escape and Jumping flash are great. Sly 1 and Jak 1 pretty good. The rest are fine. People give out about Mario Sunshine but they are comparing it to Mario 64 which I still think is one of the all time great 3D platformers. It's not as good as 64 but in comparison to what is on the PS2, it's way better, with the exception of the ape escape games which is about as good or better but no Mario 64. I think people saying that the PS2 was a great system for platformers are in the same category as the ones saying CTR is the best cart racer and better than Mario Kart. It's because it's what they know and what they grew up with. Whereas people that were older at the time as well as reviewers on multiformat magazines wouldn't have said the games were bad but wouldn't ave held them up as masterpieces either. The CTR thing always baffled me. Good game but even at the time all the publications found it a bit lacking compared to mario kart. I always felt the boost system and handling were off. I agree with your conclusions though I'd say I like most of those PS2 games less than you, and the PS1 games more. I really wanted to like Ape Escape and Sly Cooper, they have a charm to them. Ape Escape's (2 & 3) platforming requirements of the player just went beyond the games technical capabilities as the games went on I thought. They were enjoyable early on and have a nice light hearted theme. Sly 1 I found decent. The mechanism of clinging to parts of the environment allows no room for dynamic in the gameplay however and so whilst functional when they moved to hub levels in 2 onwards I found them very repetitive, very boring very fast. Jak on the other hand I found unappealing in it's design and Naughty Dog's 'Mario is for babies' rhetoric at the time (of the second one I think), similar to that that birthed Shadow the Hedgehog, just makes me not want to engage with their product. I liked CTR, but I think this is where I disengaged from the studio. Sunshine is a game I found to have flawed level design, but it has higher highs than any of those games. Perhaps the lows are lower than some of them however.
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Post by ommadawnyawn2 on Apr 29, 2021 13:30:37 GMT -5
R&C 1-2 basically have masterpiece level metacritic scores. But I generally don't agree with those. Like the original version of Wind Waker from the same year as R&C 2, which is #1 on there, wasn't that great to me in terms of NPC interactions, non-linearity and pacing (late game particularly).
There's fanboyism and ignorance with either platform exclusives but when it comes to nintendo there's also the nostalgia for long running series playing a part I think. Unless I agree with a score, then it's accurate.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2021 15:29:00 GMT -5
There's fanboyism and ignorance with either platform exclusives but when it comes to nintendo there's also the nostalgia for long running series playing a part I think. Unless I agree with a score, then it's accurate. The rules of survival in the world of metacritic are quite clear my good fellow:- - DO spend luxurious amounts of money on your game. Such expense must surely result in a product of equal quality which will be recognised by The Critics. - DO ensure to continually tease your release through CGI which overpromises on the final production. Such advertisement can only be a showing of a rich lore within the world of your game surely deserving in a high metacritic score. - DO be sure to send endless amounts of merchandise to The Critics. Such acts can only stem from a relationship of friendship and trust and will be justly rewarded. - DO NOT make users play your product through any kind of new/'innovative' control mechanism. Such gimmickry will immediately reveal your product to be 'not a real game'! - DO NOT under any circumstances reuse an asset from this or a previous production. Such crimes against gamers are an abomination, and will be righteously met by their champions The Critics with cries of 'lazy devs'! - DO NOT indicate your game to be a spin off of a previously beloved title. This is transparent manipulation and will immediately compel The Critics to use the most powerful tool in their arsenal....the 7/10. ------ On a more serious note though - please ensure you apologise to my beloved copy of Wind Waker. It cannot possibly be expected to withstand such a barbarous verbal pummelling.
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Post by ommadawnyawn2 on Apr 29, 2021 17:30:59 GMT -5
Those are all quite true, especially the 7/10 thing! Also do not forget to have "a little something for everyone" in your game, to avoid the niche label.
Very well, I hereby apologise to your copy of Wind Waker (and your copy alone).
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Post by retr0gamer on Apr 29, 2021 19:26:27 GMT -5
I love me some Wind Waker but not pointing out that it has some major flaws is disingenuous. The amount of padding and disappointing lack of dungeons is very jarring but the worst sin is opening the game with an annoying stealth dungeon.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2021 21:57:41 GMT -5
I just didn't have issues with the lack of dungeons or padding. Honestly, I fall on the side of other entries having too many dungeons and prefer my action-adventure games to be shorter in general, so I'd actually take that as a preference.
I do agree with the stealth dungeon being a significant design problem. Nintendo often get a lot of praise for being inclusive to beginners with their design and frequently it is just not the case. Watching my husband, who was still struggling to position himself with the analogue stick, then do so with the additional challenge of stealth was eye opening. The poor guy was raging so much he was pulling his hair out. Figuratively of course.... I don't remember the last time he had real hair. Naturally he never made it through. Rage quit was certainly the appropriate term. Although it being at the start was probably a good thing, he'd have been even more frustrated to drop the game later on. A decade later and he's come a long way, and played through Breath of the Wild 3 times (I had to help him the first time but not since), with the last at 100% - yes, he was even delightfully amused with the reward for all the korok seeds. Still though, Wind Waker will always receive a scowl from him, along with the hurtful name calling of 'Wind Breaker'. Feel the burn WW.
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Post by retr0gamer on Apr 30, 2021 6:46:37 GMT -5
True, I wouldn't mind if Wind Waker had the same amount of dungeons but it's the padding that kills it and really highlights the lack of content, rather than being a brisk but hugely enjoyable 6-8 hour experience.
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Post by lurker on Apr 30, 2021 13:50:24 GMT -5
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Post by shelverton on May 1, 2021 5:48:47 GMT -5
Yeah, ok so that is gonna sell out in literally seconds.... It’s been surprisingly easy to pick up sealed Limited Run games for reasonable prices lately (i got Timespimner, the latest Shantae, River City Girls, Oceanhorn, Chasm, Metal Slug Anthology, Transistor, Blazing Chrome to name a few) so I have hopes that I might be able to get this (at least the regular edition) someday down the line. I will try my best to buy this ultimate edition day 1 though... It looks very very nice.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2021 7:47:17 GMT -5
Yeah, ok so that is gonna sell out in literally seconds.... Just to be clear, these are limited by time not quantity. Limited Run will produce all that are ordered before the cut off point, so there won't be an issue of selling out. ----------- Bit of a birthday 'haul' from Friday. You can guess what I've been up to this weekend.
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Post by shelverton on May 2, 2021 17:02:00 GMT -5
Yeah, ok so that is gonna sell out in literally seconds.... Just to be clear, these are limited by time not quantity. Limited Run will produce all that are ordered before the cut off point, so there won't be an issue of selling out. Oh, I didn’t realize. That changes everything!
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Post by retr0gamer on May 3, 2021 10:11:35 GMT -5
Playing drakengard 3. Finished the first branch and one of the dlc packs.
It's a horrible game to play. Just back and slash through boring environments and the frame rate and tearing are horrendous.
Yet I keep coming back to it because I love the writing and characters and it's got some genuinely funny moments.
I just wish I didn't have to play it.
It's also refreshing to play a main character who is an anti nathan drake. Zero just totally owns that she is a sociopathic monster.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2021 10:21:53 GMT -5
Playing drakengard 3. Finished the first branch and one of the dlc packs. It's a horrible game to play. Just back and slash through boring environments and the frame rate and tearing are horrendous. Yet I keep coming back to it because I love the writing and characters and it's got some genuinely funny moments. I just wish I didn't have to play it. It's also refreshing to play a main character who is an anti nathan drake. Zero just totally owns that she is a sociopathic monster. Haven't you heard rg - you can beat a game on Youtube nowadays. Much less frustration and much easier on the thumbs. Btw - my latest in insomnia entertainment - I've discovered your old blog. I'm quite enjoying it.
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Post by Snake on May 3, 2021 13:26:34 GMT -5
Just to be clear, these are limited by time not quantity. Limited Run will produce all that are ordered before the cut off point, so there won't be an issue of selling out. Oh, I didn’t realize. That changes everything! Cool Lego set! Very boss! As for Limited Run, I'm guessing the Sega Astro Mini was an exception, since they were making Japan-only Sega hardware available? That sold out within like, 10 minutes of becoming available. I'm definitely jumping on that Castlevania Collection on Switch.
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