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Post by lurker on Jul 3, 2024 20:09:48 GMT -5
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Post by spanky on Jul 3, 2024 20:27:25 GMT -5
Cool little drop, though half the games here feel like filler, even I can have Urban Champion for 10 minutes. I should give Solar Jetman an honest shot one of these days....
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Post by Kokoro on Jul 3, 2024 20:47:06 GMT -5
retr0gamer - That's not very fair. Sabotage is absolutely acknoledgement. Kokoro - Nintendo is dipping into Gamecube games for rereleases now, but they don't have a consistent approach. Pikmin 1+2, Super Mario Sunshine and Metroid Prime have all been revisited. New content seems to be off the table if that's what you're looking for, mind you. I expect they'll continue as they have been, but only considering single player games. I could see Melee perhaps happening on a future NSO service, but I don't think they'd want to muddy the waters when it comes to a wider release, since that would compete with their next Smash game. Well, Super Mario Sunshine (and Super Mario 3D All-Stars as a whole) were, for the most part, straight ports. But then again, those weren't advertised as remakes. Speaking of Sunshine, since playing it on the Switch, I have to say the game has grown on me a bit. It's still one of the lesser mainline Mario games for me, but when it comes to Mario, even the worst games are still pretty good. Except The Lost Levels. I consider that game the only true blemish of the mainline Mario games.
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Post by excelsior on Jul 4, 2024 0:32:23 GMT -5
Neither was Paper Mario. That's what I'm saying. You may have heard it was a remake, but Nintendo never used the word in advertising. The only terminology I can find them using anywhere was enhanced version. Other outlets may have called it one, but that's their own inference.
The ports of the 3D trilogy mostly made me realise I never want another exploration platformer like 64/Sunshine/Odyssey again. They're not for me at this poiint. As far as blemishes on the Mario series, I'd put forward New Super Mario Bros and Super Mario Wonder as candidates. There's no outright bad Mario platformer, but those don't live up to to my expectations.
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Post by Kokoro on Jul 4, 2024 4:23:13 GMT -5
Neither was Paper Mario. That's what I'm saying. You may have heard it was a remake, but Nintendo never used the word in advertising. The only terminology I can find them using anywhere was enhanced version. Other outlets may have called it one, but that's their own inference. The ports of the 3D trilogy mostly made me realise I never want another exploration platformer like 64/Sunshine/Odyssey again. They're not for me at this poiint. As far as blemishes on the Mario series, I'd put forward New Super Mario Bros and Super Mario Wonder as candidates. There's no outright bad Mario platformer, but those don't live up to to my expectations. Really? You're the first person I've seen whose said anything bad about Wonder. I thought the game was fantastic. As for New Super Mario Bros., I can see where you're coming from with the 3DS and Wii U ones, even if I don't necessarily agree, but the first two were great, and it was nice to see Mario return to 2D after over a decade.
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Post by dsparil on Jul 4, 2024 5:32:54 GMT -5
Neither was Paper Mario. That's what I'm saying. You may have heard it was a remake, but Nintendo never used the word in advertising. The only terminology I can find them using anywhere was enhanced version. Other outlets may have called it one, but that's their own inference. Yeah, in the original Direct announcement they only mentioned enhanced graphics and nothing else. That isn't even technically in the trailer which is just gameplay footage. It's probably a no win scenario. Make significant changes, and the purists complain. On the other hand, Another Code Recollection and the SM RPG port were announced at the same direct which makes TTYD seem underworked in comparison.
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Post by dsparil on Jul 4, 2024 5:35:24 GMT -5
Cool little drop, though half the games here feel like filler, even I can have Urban Champion for 10 minutes. I should give Solar Jetman an honest shot one of these days…. Maybe Nintendo should have had Hamster release an Arcade Archives: VS Urban Champion instead just to troll people. Who in their right mind bought it as VC?
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Post by excelsior on Jul 4, 2024 6:14:40 GMT -5
Kokoro - For clarification, it was only the first NSMB game I didn't care for. The others I liked, and thought the Wii game was delightful. Wonder and NSMB DS have a similar issue for me - they both provide a nice set of tools, but the stage design is restrictive and non-complimentary. I think there are different reasons for that, but I hope that Wonder's sequels build upon the base as the NSMB games did. dsparil - I agree with you, but I think there's a branding consideration there too. Usually Nintendo brands rereleases with an HD/Remaster/Deluxe or whatnot. Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door and Super Mario RPG specifically make no mention in the title or box, although, yes, Mario RPG was much more transparent in Directs. Although it makes sense to include a differentiator when rereleasing a very recent game (I'm sure the inevitable BoTW/ToTK rereleases will be called 4K/Remastered or something), or a game for an older audience, perhaps when releasing a new version of a game targeting young players it makes more sense to not call attention to the original version. Were it called Remastered, or something, what does that communicate to kids? Only that it's an older game. I think the only reactions to that will be neutral or negative, and so the branding avoids connotations to those original releases. They're presented as new games to a new audience. -- Oh, and I used to love Solar Jetman as a kid. I wonder if it holds up (or was ever any good for that matter).
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Post by retr0gamer on Jul 4, 2024 9:57:28 GMT -5
I love the NSMB games, all except the first one. It's such a by the numbers and bland platformer and feels like a lesser developer aping Nintendo rather than Nintendo themselves making it.
I didn't like it so much that I remember getting the opportunity to write a review of the Wii game and I sat down ready to eviscerate Nintendo's lack of ambition and ended up adoring it. The art style is really bland but the level design is so good.
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Post by Kokoro on Jul 4, 2024 23:09:16 GMT -5
I like all the NSMB games, including the first one. But to be honest, Wonder > all the NMSB games. Wonder is just that good.
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Post by spanky on Jul 5, 2024 6:22:25 GMT -5
Count me in as a NSMB-disliker. Something about the speed of the game, combined with the zoomed out look making everything seemed so small, with the unappealing (to me) graphics and the sound design just puts me off. I look at Super Mario World and see one of the most aesthetically appealing games of all time and I never get that feeling from the NSMB games. I also have major nostalgia-brain so that's as likely a culprit as anything. Cool little drop, though half the games here feel like filler, even I can have Urban Champion for 10 minutes. I should give Solar Jetman an honest shot one of these days…. Maybe Nintendo should have had Hamster release an Arcade Archives: VS Urban Champion instead just to troll people. Who in their right mind bought it as VC? I always thought it was funny that Urban Champion is THE universal example people use when criticizing the VC.
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Post by excelsior on Jul 5, 2024 6:42:38 GMT -5
People were complaining about the VC ever since its inception, but I thought the first couple of years at least were pretty great. It was only when WiiWare started being prioritised that releases slowed, but if you check the list of games Wii had on there it was a pretty incredible lineup. People just expected every game to be immediately dumped, which would have been even less successful than it actually was. Honestly, the only people who should have been complaining are the third parties, who saw basically no return for their games.
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Post by dsparil on Jul 5, 2024 7:00:45 GMT -5
Have you played Urban Champion though? It is truly awful yet somehow has been on Wii, Wii U, 3DS as a 3D "Classic", and now there's two different versions on Switch. There actually was already an AA version of VS UC back in 2018! It's just perplexing that Nintendo wouldn't be trying to bury it rather than porting and even enhancing it over and over again.
I don't have any complaints about the VC lineup, but the gameplay videos on Wii were terrible in the US at least. It was like they were done by someone playing the game for the very first time.
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Post by retr0gamer on Jul 5, 2024 10:52:38 GMT -5
People were complaining about the VC ever since its inception, but I thought the first couple of years at least were pretty great. It was only when WiiWare started being prioritised that releases slowed, but if you check the list of games Wii had on there it was a pretty incredible lineup. People just expected every game to be immediately dumped, which would have been even less successful than it actually was. Honestly, the only people who should have been complaining are the third parties, who saw basically no return for their games. Retronauts had an episode a while back looking back at the VC. They criticised the service all the time but when they looked back at it they admitted taken as a whole it was a pretty incredible library of releases and quite a lot of games that never got a western release.
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Post by lurker on Jul 10, 2024 17:21:22 GMT -5
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