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Post by toei on Aug 9, 2018 0:44:50 GMT -5
True, I feel like I'm too old to get into goddamn torrents and everything it entails at this point. Mainstream aboveboard options for retro gaming will never offer more than the 5-10% of retro gaming that has remained in the public consciousness, and I'm pretty much done with that 5-10%. Hell, that's why I write articles for this site! Because there is so much more worth playing than what gamer culture has canonized. Emuparadise was the only mainstream site I can think of to offer a Sharp X68000 rom pack. They had obscure PS2 games only released in Europe that are barely covered at all on the Internet beyond shitty amateur reviews written in 10 minutes and 5-minute gameplay videos from some guy who didn't feel like playing long enough to figure the game out. I would absolutely pay for ROMs if a decent framework was put in place. Not some limited bullshit, not some gimmick with ugly filters you can't remove or other "improvements" I don't want, just pure emulation, at a decent price. Let the rights holders come forward and license everything, 99cents a game for everything that's not in print. If no one owns the rights anymore (let's not forget that the majority of 80s and 90s developers and publishers are gone), it's free. And as for licensed games, instead of charging a flat licensing fees, the owners of the original franchise can just make percentage-based deals. For every SNES Dragon Ball Z rom downloaded, Toei gets, say, 25%, Bandai gets 40%, and so on. It could be done if people wanted to bother, but it's not going to mean big money for most companies. Who's really making money off of nostalgia right now, anyway? Nintendo, and I guess maybe Square to a lesser degree? eatersthemanfool I woudn't care if it was just Nintendo's IP, though. Sucks that the other 99.99% of the site had to go rather than just Nintendo's 4-5 lame old franchises.
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Post by Bumpyroad on Aug 9, 2018 1:41:09 GMT -5
If Nintendo doesn't want to ford "dirty waters" like EmuParadise and the likes, they need to get one thing plain and simple: Video Games should be like petrol--available in every damn station no matter what car you drive.
Like toei pointed out, the fact that the whole site has to go is really depressing, it helped me on a number of occasions with latest MAME romsets if anything.
P.S. I'll try to emulate more Nintendo games this year to celebrate this.
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Post by Ace Whatever on Aug 9, 2018 2:31:12 GMT -5
Well that sucks. They were great for finding rare Wii games and newest strategy guides (which I'm now kicking myself for not getting).
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Post by 1upsuper on Aug 9, 2018 2:48:19 GMT -5
I believe the deaths of these sites will prove an important watershed moment and further, reactions to the loss of ROM distribution highlight two very distinct camps of "game enthusiasts": those who try to track sales and defend company rights as a way to protect the future of games, and those who prioritize preservation to protect the future of games; in the case of the former, the "future of games" refers to the continued creation of new games, while for the latter camp, the "future of games" more often means the protection and preservation of old games. Of course there's always the indifferent third camp who just wants free games (and many conflate this camp with the camp concerned with preservation to the endless exasperation of preservationists, of course).
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Post by ReyVGM on Aug 9, 2018 2:52:20 GMT -5
Guys, emuparadise took off their roms by their own will. No once forced them. They took out the Nintendo roms years ago, so they weren't a target to Nintendo's current lawsuits, although it did scare them enough to not wanting to mess with roms anymore. But again, they weren't forced.
Other sites would probably just remove the Nintendo stuff and keep offering the rest of the roms. And even if a clean sweep happens, it's only a matter of time before other new sites are born. It's not the first time a big rom site has gone down or removed its roms.
And as always, there are public torrent where you can find anything.
But I do agree emuparadise made everything a lot easier.
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Post by toei on Aug 9, 2018 3:20:19 GMT -5
Guys, emuparadise took off their roms by their own will. No once forced them. They took out the Nintendo roms years ago, so they weren't a target to Nintendo's current lawsuits, although it did scare them enough to not wanting to mess with roms anymore. But again, they weren't forced. Other sites would probably just remove the Nintendo stuff and keep offering the rest of the roms. And even if a clean sweep happens, it's only a matter of time before other new sites are born. It's not the first time a big rom site has gone down or removed its roms. And as always, there are public torrent where you can find anything. But I do agree emuparadise made everything a lot easier. Well, we'll see. Some games are a lot harder to find already- PCE CD isos that aren't part of any romset, say, and were never re-released. I know there are other sites, but there aren't really *that many* that go beyond the basic stuff. Many of the bigger and more exhaustive ones have disappeared over the years for various reasons (anyone remember mondemul? It was like planetemu, but with a larger selection). Torrents are capricious, less safe, and depend on seeding. To give you an example, there are dozens and dozens of Japanese movies I downloaded years ago that you could absolutely not find anywhere on the internet now, whether through torrents, streaming, or the mainstream web. It's entirely possible that some of the more obscure games - say, a PS2 Japanese-exclusive no one knows about, like Kakutou Bijin Wulong - could become very hard to find if a few more key sites disappear. Nintendo's retro IP, ironically, will probably always be easy to find, if only through torrents and the like, but it's the obscure stuff getting caught up in this that I worry about. I absolutely believe every game ever made should remain playable in one way or another. We have the technology for it (apart from a few more obscure arcade boards, and the X-Box, which at least is still cheap and easy to find), so there's no *good* reason why it shouldn't be so.
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Post by 🧀Son of Suzy Creamcheese🧀 on Aug 9, 2018 4:07:49 GMT -5
I agree that games should be kept playable and preserved at all times. Sadly it's such a frustrating mess for gaming, with games being released on different platforms by different companies all throughout history and games not being available in certain regions. And where I can still get the most recent prints of certain albums brand new even if that most recent print is from the 90's, they rarely sell new games anymore since all these systems die off in half a decade or so. I think it'll probably be always possible to get any rom you want, even if it'd take some additional searching. But that's fine, you're paying no money for it, after all. It'd just be nice if companies did a better job of keeping games in rotation. Sometimes they do something that makes you think companies care, like releasing Sky Skipper all of a sudden. But then, on the very same platform, you can't even get a milestone game like Mario 3 over a year after release. It would be great if they'd just not provide roms for games that are still being sold, but only those out-of-print games. But then, games could become available again in the near-future, might have different versions, and what counts as out of print? The Wii U has been replaced, but you can get a lot of games on there that you can't get on NSW, for example. If only it was as (relatively) simple, as with music or movies. This is the first time that I read about their current position. Another sign that the old internet is dying. I mostly blame idiots that are buying these useless Amiibos and dumb re-releases of the games that they already played and never touched them again. I feel bad for the people like the soldiers or the people that lost their siblings and were searching their memories of the dead ones in videogames, but people like to support dumb capitalism and not the creator of the games will be helped financially, only the greedy investors at these publisher powerhouses, since these old contracts don't include download games, they mostly include physical old school games, if it works like music contracts. It is totally a sad thing. I wish them well and these soldiers etc. saved their stuff. Yours sincerely Jack Caeylin
Wrong thread?
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Post by jackcaeylin on Aug 9, 2018 4:46:26 GMT -5
This is the first time that I read about their current position. Another sign that the old internet is dying. I mostly blame idiots that are buying these useless Amiibos and dumb re-releases of the games that they already played and never touched them again. I feel bad for the people like the soldiers or the people that lost their siblings and were searching their memories of the dead ones in videogames, but people like to support dumb capitalism and not the creator of the games will be helped financially, only the greedy investors at these publisher powerhouses, since these old contracts don't include download games, they mostly include physical old school games, if it works like music contracts. It is totally a sad thing. I wish them well and these soldiers etc. saved their stuff. Yours sincerely Jack Caeylin
WTF?? Troll post? This sounds something straight out of a Trump rally. Keep in mind that the map of USA is not the worldmap? If you read the link, you will see that they wrote that they got thanks letters from soldiers and people that lost siblings? That has nothing to do with trump. In Fact, no politics here. Keep in mind, in some countries, some right parties are pro gun control? capitalism is not a exclusive term for politics, it also exists in economy. There must be an economical reason that changed some companies in the way they treat these things, since emuparadise exist since 18 yeras ago and this has to be monetary reasons that changed in recent years. I won't even go into details, since you decided to be a troll. But yeah, keep trolling with nonsensical one liners and being offended with one sentences and don't bother to answer, I won't read it.
Yours sincerely
Jack Caeylin
I agree that games should be kept playable and preserved at all times. Sadly it's such a frustrating mess for gaming, with games being released on different platforms by different companies all throughout history and games not being available in certain regions. And where I can still get the most recent prints of certain albums brand new even if that most recent print is from the 90's, they rarely sell new games anymore since all these systems die off in half a decade or so. I think it'll probably be always possible to get any rom you want, even if it'd take some additional searching. But that's fine, you're paying no money for it, after all. It'd just be nice if companies did a better job of keeping games in rotation. Sometimes they do something that makes you think companies care, like releasing Sky Skipper all of a sudden. But then, on the very same platform, you can't even get a milestone game like Mario 3 over a year after release. It would be great if they'd just not provide roms for games that are still being sold, but only those out-of-print games. But then, games could become available again in the near-future, might have different versions, and what counts as out of print? The Wii U has been replaced, but you can get a lot of games on there that you can't get on NSW, for example. If only it was as (relatively) simple, as with music or movies. This is the first time that I read about their current position. Another sign that the old internet is dying. I mostly blame idiots that are buying these useless Amiibos and dumb re-releases of the games that they already played and never touched them again. I feel bad for the people like the soldiers or the people that lost their siblings and were searching their memories of the dead ones in videogames, but people like to support dumb capitalism and not the creator of the games will be helped financially, only the greedy investors at these publisher powerhouses, since these old contracts don't include download games, they mostly include physical old school games, if it works like music contracts. It is totally a sad thing. I wish them well and these soldiers etc. saved their stuff. Yours sincerely Jack Caeylin
Wrong thread? You decided to be a troll? If you need non offended comments about this topic, then read the comments from Jason , Toei and Bumpyroad. You are actually worse then the other guy, since your comment doesn't have content. But yeah, keep sucking stuff that your favourite Nintendo company is throwing in your neck with your dump monopoly thinking. Don't bother to write back, I won't read it, it says much about a person, if they post without content and just trolling.
Yours sincerely
Jack Caeylin
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Post by 🧀Son of Suzy Creamcheese🧀 on Aug 9, 2018 5:31:18 GMT -5
We've both been on here long enough for you to know that I'm not a troll.
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Post by GamerL on Aug 9, 2018 6:56:36 GMT -5
Well that sucks. They were great for finding rare Wii games and newest strategy guides (which I'm now kicking myself for not getting). Shit, yeah, I forgot about the guides and artbooks, I never did download their scans of Half-Life 2: Raising the Bar even though I thought I did. Why the fuck would they remove everything including that stuff? I don't feel like reading their message, what a load of bullshit! You decided to be a troll? If you need non offended comments about this topic, then read the comments from Jason , Toei and Bumpyroad. You are actually worse then the other guy, since your comment doesn't have content. But yeah, keep sucking stuff that your favourite Nintendo company is throwing in your neck with your dump monopoly thinking. Don't bother to write back, I won't read it, it says much about a person, if they post without content and just trolling.
Yours sincerely Jack Caeylin
You need to dial it back, son. Suzy isn't alone in finding your post nonsensical, I myself have no idea what you're going on about.
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Post by ZenithianHero on Aug 9, 2018 18:21:19 GMT -5
They were convenient for when I want to play a rare game or fan translation. There's so many rom sites but not sure who is the other best ones. And for how long they will last. Companies need to do a better job of preserving the old games by rereleasing them but so many games out there have a cloudy ownership and this is why rom sites are important to keep them from disappearing.
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Post by KGRAMR on Aug 9, 2018 19:28:10 GMT -5
Everybody points out at Panzer Dragoon Saga's lost source code as one of the big reasons for preserving games, alongside other examples such as Konami's accidental deleting of Silent Hill 2's original source code just because nobody bothered to delete their internet historial properly. I can also add another example in this subject of lost source codes, as i've talked to the programmers of both Attack of the Mutant Penguins and Super Burnout for the Atari Jaguar: The reason why we'll never see those 2 re-released is because the team never thought about preserving them for the future, so they've become lost with time, making them pretty much imposible to port them into modern platforms.
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Post by GamerL on Aug 9, 2018 19:32:17 GMT -5
There needs to be a new copyright law for games that the copyright expires and it becomes public domain if after ten years the game is not readily available in a legal manner.
This would provide incentive for publishers to keep their games available and if not, if they're too lazy or the rights have been lost to time, like what happened to NOLF, the games can be legally downloaded and shared by anyone.
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Post by jorpho on Aug 9, 2018 21:00:11 GMT -5
I feel like these discussions have already been had a bazillion times all over the Internet over the course of the last twenty years. True, I feel like I'm too old to get into goddamn torrents and everything it entails at this point. Torrents are pretty much just click-and-go. Some places are a little more strict on requiring you to upload as much as you download, but that's hardly a concern if you're just downloading a couple of megabytes from a two-gigabyte set. I'd say that's more an issue of cataloging than anything else. After all, what's the incentive to download an obscure PS2 game that's barely been covered at all? Especially if it's crappy? Some things are forgotten for good reason. Everybody points out at Panzer Dragoon Saga's lost source code as one of the big reasons for preserving games, alongside other examples such as Konami's accidental deleting of Silent Hill 2's original source code just because nobody bothered to delete their internet historial properly. I can also add another example in this subject of lost source codes, as i've talked to the programmers of both Attack of the Mutant Penguins and Super Burnout for the Atari Jaguar: The reason why we'll never see those 2 re-released is because the team never thought about preserving them for the future, so they've become lost with time, making them pretty much imposible to port them into modern platforms. Yes, preserving source code is important, but there's not much that end users can do about that.
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Post by ommadawnyawn2 on Aug 9, 2018 21:45:29 GMT -5
Tough times for us neets.
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