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Post by ReyVGM on Aug 11, 2018 0:00:27 GMT -5
EVO is mostly known in circles where people play obscure games, such as this site. Or people that have exhausted the SNES library.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2018 0:24:26 GMT -5
I don’t know, back then if it wasn’t a related to first party Nintendo or Mortal Kombat/Street Fighter the general public wasn’t aware of what was going on. To be completely honest here, I was dedicated to Nintendo then and I have no idea what the hell E.V.O. is. Oh man, E.V.O. is great! Really recommend giving it a shot if you get a chance.
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Post by toei on Aug 11, 2018 1:17:18 GMT -5
I'd say E.V.O. is semi-known, at least in retro circles. I know I've been aware of it forever. That PC-98 prequel, though, now that's obscure.
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Post by GamerL on Aug 11, 2018 3:02:03 GMT -5
I'd say E.V.O. is semi-known, at least in retro circles. I know I've been aware of it forever. That PC-98 prequel, though, now that's obscure. I've heard of both E.V.O. and that PC-98 prequel thanks to the HG101 articles on them as a matter of fact. I've played neither however.
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Post by edmonddantes on Aug 11, 2018 9:08:25 GMT -5
I first read about EVO in Nintendo Power but only got to play it via emulation. On my first time through I never found the options that let you evolve into a human.
No offense to anyone here but its always amazing to me when people defend game company's copyright. Seems like whether its emulation or DRM people are always willing to take the bullet for people too big to really be hurt by said bullet and somehow justify the end user being harmed.
I was just writing a blog about copyright actually, though specifically tackling one pro-copyright narrative (by an author who compared Edgar Rice Burroughs to HP Lovecraft and said the only reason Lovecraft died broke was he didn't clamp down on his IPs, the problem being this narrative is complete horsehockey and leaves out important and major differences in their circumstances) that I took issue with.
But with regard to gaming... well honestly, not just gaming: I'm also into fansubs of tokusatsu and anime and I've seen crazy justifications there too (people suggesting you should buy the DVD release if one comes out even if the DVD is worse than the free fansub in major, substantial ways, like how Viz gimped Sailor Moon). It's like for some people, legal = right, which makes me wonder what these people must've thought of Robin Hood. The letter of the law should NEVER be the lone barometer for human morality.
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Post by Allie on Aug 11, 2018 9:17:14 GMT -5
EVO is one of those games I would have thought most SNES players would know of, even if they hadn't played it, if only by virtue of being an Enix-published release and with the SNES' reputation as the "RPG System" of its time, I'd just expect that anyone who was into the SNES in its day would be able to name almost ALL of Square and Enix's NA releases for the system (if they haven't moved completely on from playing video games at all).
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Post by edmonddantes on Aug 11, 2018 9:23:44 GMT -5
EVO is one of those games I would have thought most SNES players would know of, even if they hadn't played it, if only by virtue of being an Enix-published release and with the SNES' reputation as the "RPG System" of its time, I'd just expect that anyone who was into the SNES in its day would be able to name almost ALL of Square and Enix's NA releases for the system (if they haven't moved completely on from playing video games at all). That's kinda making broad assumptions about the SNES' userbase. RPGs were a very niche genre at the time (I remember in school having a hard time explaining the concept to other people, many of them gamers like me). It was still a time when video game meant "side scrolling platformer." Hell I remember several kids my own age saying all games were "reflex-testers." The SNES' reputation as an "RPG System" didn't happen until the internet really.
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Post by Allie on Aug 11, 2018 9:28:00 GMT -5
EVO is one of those games I would have thought most SNES players would know of, even if they hadn't played it, if only by virtue of being an Enix-published release and with the SNES' reputation as the "RPG System" of its time, I'd just expect that anyone who was into the SNES in its day would be able to name almost ALL of Square and Enix's NA releases for the system (if they haven't moved completely on from playing video games at all). That's kinda making broad assumptions about the SNES' userbase. RPGs were a very niche genre at the time (I remember in school having a hard time explaining the concept to other people, many of them gamers like me). It was still a time when video game meant "side scrolling platformer." Hell I remember several kids my own age saying all games were "reflex-testers." The SNES' reputation as an "RPG System" didn't happen until the internet really. I realize this is completely anecdotal, but pretty much everybody I personally knew at the time that had an SNES (either within my neighborhood or that I went to school with) was pretty much all over the RPGs. I knew multiple people who had a copy of 7th Saga, of all games. That's why it mystified me when I originally heard people say "Nobody played RPGs until FF7", because pretty much everybody I knew had been playing RPGs before then.
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Post by edmonddantes on Aug 11, 2018 9:45:54 GMT -5
Yeah, this is a thing where I think personal experiences will differ. I know in my area, very few people besides myself even knew what an RPG was and those other people either A) got their info from me or B) were older people who tended to be my sister's friends rather than mine.
But I do recall magazines at the time, such as DieHard Gamefan and Nintendo Power, claiming RPGs were basically unprofitable in the USA (one of them reported that Enix shut down its US offices and this was also apparently why we never got Dragon Quest V and VI), which... well, considering the state of video games at the time (this was, after all, the age of people trying to copy Street Fighter II if they weren't instead trying to copy Doom) wouldn't surprise me if it were true.
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Post by KGRAMR on Aug 11, 2018 11:05:37 GMT -5
E.V.O. is certainly one-of-a-kind experience on the SNES that sadly didn't sell all that well IIRC. Not bad, though i do love the final boss theme (In fact, the first thing i've ever heard anything related to the game was in I Wanna Be The Guy's final boss).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2018 11:17:51 GMT -5
Those goddamn roaches...ugh. Always freaked me out.
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Post by kaoru on Aug 11, 2018 11:28:18 GMT -5
Fun fact: When I played E.V.O, I stopped evolving once I became a powerful dinosaur and went through the rest of the game that way.
The PC98 game is btw not that great to play, but it is absolutely crazy in content.
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Post by Apollo Chungus on Aug 11, 2018 13:40:58 GMT -5
I read about this a couple of days ago, but I wanted to wait before saying anything because I felt I had to think things through and talk to a couple of folks about it. It's something I'm itching to dig into, as someone who feels that piracy actually tends to be justified most of the time (tl;dr - most people pirate shit because they have no other way of acquiring a product in an affordable, accessible, and adequate manner) and as someone who considers sites like EmuParadise to be a part of preserving the legacy of video games, especially when the gaming industry does, at best, laughable job at the same task.
Despite the sadness of the situation, I do not believe that this marks the end of emulation or games preservation, like many people seem to be proclaiming.
Yes, EmuParadise was an easy-to-access site full of countless games to download and without any of the dodgy shit you're more likely to find on other websites, but it's not the only ROM site around. There are countless sites that exist and continue to circulate the majority of the games that EmuParadise featured (at the very least), ranging from comprehensive sites like The Internet Archive's Software Collection and The ISO Zone to obscuro websites to find random GB puzzle games and licensed tat in the PS1's early days, to entire collections uploaded onto the likes of MEGA, the Internet Archive or too many other file-sharing sites that I can't currently name. It may not be as convenient (especially when it comes to getting hacked games or fan translations), but there's enough websites that the legacy of emulation and games preservation will live on.
It's a public blow to have EmuParadise take down all their ROMs*, but it's only a minor blow. Obviously, do be vigilant in preserving the legacy and history of video games if you can, and archive and circulate whatever you can just in case, but this isn't the end. It'll be alright.
*Despite this being done in response to Nintendo of America's recent lawsuits against LoveROMs and LoveRetro, EmuParadise chose to take down their ROMs as a precautionary measure. They weren't forced to do this, and it's a decision that could just as easily be reversed in the future should things change. You never know.
(Also, it kind of amuses me how a tangent discussing a fairly obscure SNES game ended up turning this into an E.V.O. thread.)
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Post by toei on Aug 11, 2018 13:41:36 GMT -5
EVO is one of those games I would have thought most SNES players would know of, even if they hadn't played it, if only by virtue of being an Enix-published release and with the SNES' reputation as the "RPG System" of its time, I'd just expect that anyone who was into the SNES in its day would be able to name almost ALL of Square and Enix's NA releases for the system (if they haven't moved completely on from playing video games at all). That's kinda making broad assumptions about the SNES' userbase. RPGs were a very niche genre at the time (I remember in school having a hard time explaining the concept to other people, many of them gamers like me). It was still a time when video game meant "side scrolling platformer." Hell I remember several kids my own age saying all games were "reflex-testers." The SNES' reputation as an "RPG System" didn't happen until the internet really. Didn't FF6/3 sell very well, at the very least? I remember an interview claiming it had sold a million copy, which was huge for the time. Also, there was a pretty decent number of SNES RPGs released in North America. I don't believe they just weren't profitable at all. FF7 boosted the genre's popularity, but it was already on the rise. Everyone I knew who played video games loved Chrono Trigger (Dragon Ball got popular a few years earlier in parts of Canada, so the Toriyama connection must have helped), and I remember a lot of mid-90s gaming magazines starting to come around on the genre and publicize it more. The SNES' reputation as a RPG system may have grown over the years, but that's because looking back at its library, it's completely obvious that it's where its strength lies.
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Post by Allie on Aug 11, 2018 17:04:55 GMT -5
Yeah, this is a thing where I think personal experiences will differ. I know in my area, very few people besides myself even knew what an RPG was and those other people either A) got their info from me or B) were older people who tended to be my sister's friends rather than mine. But I do recall magazines at the time, such as DieHard Gamefan and Nintendo Power, claiming RPGs were basically unprofitable in the USA (one of them reported that Enix shut down its US offices and this was also apparently why we never got Dragon Quest V and VI), which... well, considering the state of video games at the time (this was, after all, the age of people trying to copy Street Fighter II if they weren't instead trying to copy Doom) wouldn't surprise me if it were true. I thought Enix hadn't shut down in NA until after they released Dragon Quest 7 in the US, but apparently that's not the case. They shut down in 1995, re-opened in 1999, then shut down again after the merger with Square.
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