Pre-Street Fighter II Fighting Games

[zzz]

morzas said:

Try posting the first few paragraphs on the Fighting Games board at GameFAQs to see how many people you piss off. Those people hate SSBM. Personally, I can see where they're coming from, but what you've said is also sort of true, despite the fact that SSBM, by NCL's definition, is an 'action' game.

Try posting this whole thing at ANY fighting game message board at it would be immediately dismissed and endlessly mocked. Those places (Neo-Geo.com, Shoryuken.com, GameFAQs Fighting Games board, etc.) are cesspools, so who cares? Remember the veritable uproar at Neo-Geo.com that this site's write up on King of Fighters caused?

I have played more than 250 fighters, excluding freeware which would probably put it past 300. I am 100% confident that my perspective on the genre is reasonable and well informed.

Notes...

Is Karate going to be moved to put it in proper chronological order?

Gladiator does not have a year next to the title and platforms.

[vysethebold]

Yeah, revisions I made like that were to make the sentences less awkward and flow better. I thought the statement I replaced it with was close to your original intent, but it obviously wasn't close enough. How about this sentence,

"I would say that Pit-Fighter is so bad because the game requires you to put much more effort into playing the game than the amount of enjoyment you would receive from playing it."

This sentence flows much better and is pretty close to your own wording. What do you think?

[vysethebold]

Alright, if you want to use your version, that's cool.

[Discoalucard]

I say just delete the whole sentence. I'm not even sure if the sentiment makes sense. I've read it several times and I'm still trying to grasp what it actually means. It seems to be saying "this game isn't worth the effort". I think.

[vysethebold]

I agree, the word "venture" makes the sentence weak and the end is just awkward. I say delete it.

[Discoalucard]

Yeah but that all amounts to a very wordy way of saying "this game isn't very good", so just say that in a way that isn't as confusing.

[aggroger]

zzz: okay,I understand you have the right to your own opinions...but do really you have to swear every time you talk about a game you don't like?

This is HG101,not Angry Nintendo Nerd!If you don't like this game,say it politely unless you aren't doing it deliberately for flaming purposes.

...and IK+ is still missing.

[Discoalucard]

zzz said:

"I would say that it is so bad because the game requires you to put infinitly more effort into playing it than any amount of enjoyment you could receive from playing it."

That's better, but you've still used "playing it" twice in the same sentence, which is redundant.

If you REALLY want to keep that sentiment, you need to completely reword it. "Trying to enjoy this game requires too much effort." or something like that.

[Shellshock]

zzz said:

If you prefer a total rewording, so that it "flows" well, than how about,

"The reason Pit-Fighter's so bad is this: The amount of work it takes is so much greater than the amount of fun you can have playing it."

Why don't you just write that "the game becomes a chore to master, and that kills the fun" and just leave it at that? Right to the point.
It's not worth all this arguing.

[vysethebold]

Ugh...can we give it up, please? The rest of the article explains that the game is bad. Do we absolutely need that sentence? I mean you're defending it like it defines the article and I edited the whole thing so I know it doesn't. The rest of the article is fine without it and carries the point that the game is a piece of shit. Can we let this one sentence go, please?? I really have come to hate it.

[Shellshock]

I would say leave the sentence in. After all he wrote the article.
I hope this is not the beginning of future editing disagreements.

[vysethebold]

Kurt has the final say on this sentence. He'll pick the option he thinks fits best and I'll agree with his decision.

I just want to remind everybody not to get frustrated with the editing, though. We are here to help the contributers, not hinder them. Personally, it isn't my goal to censor or change the opinion of the contributer. I just want to make the author have a stronger position and argument. Sometimes stuff doesn't work. We just have to come up with a compromise to make the argument sound better and have the author be happy. That's the nature of editing. Over all, though, you'll find that these are just small issues that we can take care of without many problems. Please note that I'm not trying to insult anyone or try to take credit for anyone else's work when I edit. The decisions I make are with the best intentions to help the author and the site.

Edit: I modified what I said to sound a little better after some thought. I really want to work with you guys so let's just agree on one of the sentences and move on. Which do you all think is best?

[Discoalucard]

Alright, I'm reasonably sure this is complete now. Anything else I'm missing before this goes live?

[ReyVGM]

The link on the main page is not posted for this article.

[ReyVGM]

Doesn't this purple guy here:


Look exactly like this boss from Black Manta?


Both are from Taito.