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Post by Wildcat on Dec 11, 2011 19:15:59 GMT -5
Well, thethird, you could always buy any future books by him used - he won't see a penny that way.  Of course you'd have to want to get any more of them to do that... |
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Post by TheGunheart on Dec 11, 2011 19:29:18 GMT -5
Perhaps one of the craziest things to realize is that he was contracted to write a book to serve as the story of a game, and ended up making a crazy political tract that had to be pretty much ignored in the game proper. Or something. As I understand it, Empire was written to tie in with some RTS that got cancelled and Shadow Complex was made instead. Either way, Shadow Complex does pretty much ignore mentioning political alignments altogether.
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Post by thethird on Dec 11, 2011 20:29:49 GMT -5
The bizarre thing is that Empire absolutely does not tie in with Shadow Complex at all. At all! They share some technology (the power suits which only align with the ones in SC in the basic ways, there's a brief mention of the goo-gun used in Shadow Complex), and the background (crazy civil war esque situation), but that's literally it. None of the same characters. No reference to the events happening in either stories. Hell, the climax of Empire (SPOILERS, but, really who gives a shit) actually negates Shadow Complex by having the main characters go into the complex and take it out, and the characters from the game are nowhere to be seen and neither is any of the robots or fucking anything (END SPOILERS I guess). Hidden Empire goes even further off rails to be a insane, rambling, borderline incoherent mess of military and Christian propaganda punctuated with crummy, dry action sequences and capped off with one of the most predictable plot twists I've ever read. Dumb book. Empire was at least entertaining and pretty fast paced to offset the political rigmarole.
Haha, so yeah, Wildcat, after those books I really don't have much of a desire to read anything more by OSC, nevermind pay for it. I guess just the idea of stuff made by someone as hateful as him being inside my house hurts my brain, but I like some of it. Bleh.
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Post by Allie on Dec 12, 2011 15:53:43 GMT -5
Perhaps one of the craziest things to realize is that he was contracted to write a book to serve as the story of a game, and ended up making a crazy political tract that had to be pretty much ignored in the game proper. Or something. As I understand it, Empire was written to tie in with some RTS that got cancelled and Shadow Complex was made instead. Either way, Shadow Complex does pretty much ignore mentioning political alignments altogether. If I had to agree with an artist's political views in order to consume their work, I'd never be allowed to read/listen to/play ANYBODY'S output. Speaking of shit that pisses me off, yeah. The idea that EVERYTHING has to be fucking political now, and anyone who doesn't agree with it is some sort of undesirable element that needs to be neutralized or eliminated. That's just plain infuriating. |
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Post by TheGunheart on Dec 12, 2011 19:11:11 GMT -5
Where are you getting that? I'm just saying it's kind of funny to realize that the creators of Shadow Complex probably got more than they bargained for when they brought in OSC and smartly chose to excise the politics.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2011 19:15:46 GMT -5
I was reading about their company yesterday, and it seems as though they have a real hard on for Orson Scott Card. They used him on Advent Rising. They were going to make an RTS supported by fiction written by him. They made Shadow Complex with him. And the thing is, they don't seem to be particularly competent. Shadow Complex is more of an aberration than an indicator of their talent.
Plus their head guy's last name is Mustard. That's pretty bad.
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Post by TheGunheart on Dec 12, 2011 20:15:38 GMT -5
I did like Advent Rising, I have to admit. When it got going, it was pretty much Max Payne with super powers...and terribly made vehicle segments. Card's story for it was pretty forgettable, though.
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Post by Discoalucard on Dec 12, 2011 20:15:46 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2011 20:33:39 GMT -5
Egads. A Gamasutra article that isn't full of conjecture and aimless rambling? Very nice find there.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2011 23:53:20 GMT -5
I hate annoying villains that don't get their comeuppance. That's one of the many reasons I don't watch Glee unless I have a car battery strapped to my nuts to dull the pain.
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Post by Ryusui on Dec 14, 2011 4:22:40 GMT -5
I hate annoying villains that don't get their comeuppance. That's one of the many reasons I don't watch Glee unless I have a car battery strapped to my nuts to dull the pain. This this THIS. I would pay for an episode where Sue Sylvester gets run slowly through a giant food processor. Making things more infuriating is the simple fact that she was showing signs of character development, dammit. And they tossed it out for the sake of maintaining the status quo. Even her Pet The Dog moment only gave her a sycophantic apprentice. If anything, she's worse now than she was at the start. The show's not fun anymore; it's excruciating. And it's not just Sue; it's the character dynamics in general. Everything has to effectively get reset to zero every season: at least in Pokémon, we can expect things to stay the same instead of simply get worse. |
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Post by Weasel on Dec 14, 2011 5:17:30 GMT -5
I might be barely making ends meet, but my unemployment payments are becoming more frustrating. I am now required to fill out a form, every week, detailing three places where I have attempted to apply for work and been declined. The thing is, since someone is most likely on the other end of this online form, reading over my work, I get this feeling that they might find some bullshit excuse to deny me a week of benefit payment - what's even worse is that, in many cases, the jobs that I'm applying to never actually state what the name of their business is - only a general area in which they're looking for applicants, and what the basic duties of the job are. In some cases, not even that.
So my "job log" (a notebook that I keep said information in) consists of entries like "Mon 12/12 - Unknown Cornelius retail position." God damn you, Craigslist.
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Post by Ike on Dec 14, 2011 12:55:34 GMT -5
Make shit up, they don't check it. I had people come into the store all the time with paper job log full of scribbled nonsense.
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Post by Warchief Onyx on Dec 14, 2011 13:03:55 GMT -5
I hate annoying villains that don't get their comeuppance. That's one of the many reasons I don't watch Glee unless I have a car battery strapped to my nuts to dull the pain. This this THIS. I would pay for an episode where Sue Sylvester gets run slowly through a giant food processor. Making things more infuriating is the simple fact that she was showing signs of character development, dammit. And they tossed it out for the sake of maintaining the status quo. Even her Pet The Dog moment only gave her a sycophantic apprentice. If anything, she's worse now than she was at the start. The show's not fun anymore; it's excruciating. And it's not just Sue; it's the character dynamics in general. Everything has to effectively get reset to zero every season: at least in Pokémon, we can expect things to stay the same instead of simply get worse.That's why I stopped watching Glee around the time Kurt's boyfriend got introduced. All the characters have become really unlikable and any sort of character development gets reset at the beginning of the next episode. Plus Ryan Murphy is a major asshole. Blaine also feels like a really transparent self-insert and borderline Gary Stu. The show doesn't have characters anymore. They're caricatures. The music isn't even that good anymore. |
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Post by Ike on Dec 14, 2011 13:20:32 GMT -5
Speaking of TV shows: I watched the first episode of the new season of The Office and they made it pretty clear that they have not got a single fucking clue where to take the series now that Michael Scott is gone. It didn't really hit me just how hard the show has been riding on him the last two seasons or so until he wasn't there anymore and we were treated to this abortive shotgun-approach-to-plot-threads episode.
Woah, Andy's the new boss!
Woah, Pam's pregnant...again! (Which was really excruciatingly bad the first time I might add)
Woah! Another new boss!
and a bunch of other shit I blocked out of my mind because it was all terrible and not even slightly funny. Show is dead to me.
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Of course you'd have to want to get any more of them to do that...
