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Post by Discoalucard on Aug 31, 2009 19:40:24 GMT -5
www.hardcoregaming101.net/projectdiva/projectdiva.htmThis is another slightly atypical article that examines the whole of the Vocalroid phenomenon in Japan. Sega recently released an actual video game around it - Project Diva for the PSP starring Miku Hatsune, the star of the whole movement. It's actually pretty fascinating to see how actively involved Sega was with the fan community, since they used a lot of their music in the commercial product.
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Post by cj iwakura on Aug 31, 2009 19:51:06 GMT -5
Wow.
Also, slight correction: MJ was in both Space Channel 5s.
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Post by Atma on Aug 31, 2009 20:00:01 GMT -5
Alright, it's up!
It was fun working on a collab article, even if I knew next to nothing about Vocaloid going in. I was mostly moral support and did some help with song translation checking, searching for fanart sources, and the detached sleeves and twintail reference pics are totally my fault. Anyone who knows me will know I will cite Kallen and Queen's Blade forever.
It was a fun work and learning experience. Or something like that. Anyways, it's great to see it up and alive. High fives all around.
Oh yes, there is a story behind the takoatma. It was actually a typo I made when I was trying to say takoluka. I don't know how I mixed myself and her up, but takoatma was born and was instantly made my article credit name.
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Post by zzz on Aug 31, 2009 20:35:35 GMT -5
From the part about livetune, second paragraph: The word "mythos" should be changed to "mythology". Contrary to popular belief these days, they don't mean even remotely the same thing.
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Post by wyrdwad on Sept 1, 2009 1:30:47 GMT -5
Wow, didn't expect to see an article about Hatsune Miku on here, but I'm really glad for it. The Hatsune Miku phenomenon is actually quite fascinating to me, as it's the kind of thing that just plain wouldn't have ever caught on in ANY other country... it's such a uniquely Japanese thing! And Project Diva, while not without its flaws, is still a really fitting tribute to the power of the phenomenon, and to the fans who made it what it is today.
It's also a pretty fun game. (:
-Tom
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Post by dai jou bu on Sept 1, 2009 3:48:43 GMT -5
From the part about livetune, second paragraph: The word "mythos" should be changed to "mythology". Contrary to popular belief these days, they don't mean even remotely the same thing. I'm not using mythos to mean "mythology" in that statement. I'm using it in a funky new way to mean, "the sense of grandeur one gets from a certain experience," which livetune nails down with his songs perfectly due to his style that's going to be hard for me to describe without vomiting a lot of words right now that might make absolutely no sense. EDIT: So I'll just show you what Atma and I did instead for this game!BONUS: How Atma takoatma-ed herself.
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Post by zzz on Sept 1, 2009 3:59:09 GMT -5
Then at least change it to "aesthetic" or something. Cause "mythos" is making Merriam and Webster spin in their graves.
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Post by dai jou bu on Sept 1, 2009 4:18:56 GMT -5
well, back when I was growing up, "ain't" wasn't in the dictionary, so my teachers were like, "Don't use it!" Now it is.
That's why a lot of medical terms use latin words since it's a dead language.
But back to your statement though, I can't really say "aesthetics" because livetune's songs show Miku in a way that is also consistent with the template that Crypton laid out for her; I can't really describe it, only show you, hence why I linked that translation for Star Story. KEI's interpretation of Miku is also on the same wavelength as livetune's (when he's serious, I mean, since whenever he's not, he presents the Vocaloids like they're Looney Toons characters).
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Post by zzz on Sept 1, 2009 4:47:50 GMT -5
Mythos is a real word, but you've got the definition completely wrong. It's easy to say "who cares?", but if you want people to understand what you're saying then you need to define your words correctly.
And ain't has been in the dictionary for far longer than you've been alive. It's a contraction of "are not". The still-all-too-common belief that it's not a real word is just a myth.
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Post by dai jou bu on Sept 1, 2009 7:59:44 GMT -5
Mythos is a real word, but you've got the definition completely wrong. It's easy to say "who cares?", but if you want people to understand what you're saying then you need to define your words correctly. And ain't has been in the dictionary for far longer than you've been alive. It's a contraction of "are not". The still-all-too-common belief that it's not a real word is just a myth. Okay, zzz. You're really starting to aggravate me. Seriously. You were wrong on the word usage of the word doujin, and now you're trying to do the same thing for this article. Here's the definition of mythos I'm using: Miku is just a character mascot for software. She's not even human. By this simple description, the way I used "mythos" is correct. But you probably want more, don't you? Because you're pretty anal about this stuff. So let me elaborate. Since she's not even human, that means that the only way she will ever be human-like is if someone else does it for her. In this case, it's the end-user of the program making the musical score for her to sing. And songs are just a fancy version of poetry, which, during Aristotle's time, was how stories were told, and how many are still told today. So now you should have an understanding of the definition of the word "mythos," correct? But now you're probably going to say to me, "BUT UR STILL UZING IT WRONG." So let me explain this part then for you so you WILL SHUT UP ALREADY. When Crypton decided to create Miku, a story was already told just through an image and a name. Now many people will create songs using her about various stuff, but does that mean it would fit the story laid out by Crypton, like, say, for example, ryo's stuff? If you looked a translation of the lyrics for any of his songs, probably not. How about OSTER Project? Maybe once in a while, sure. Now go to that youtube link in my article for livetune's packaged. She sounds robotic, yes? livetune's acknowledging that Miku's not human and merely a synthesized voice. Yet he programs her to try to sound as human as possible with this limitation. Now the rest of the song is going to be hard for me to describe with words, since I'm terrible at explaining sounds, but even with the limited description I gave so far, does it sound like a story (mythos) Crypton would do if they told KEI to make an official chapter for a Vocaloid manga? Probably. If I go any further with this, it's going to start sounding incomprehensible, so hopefully that should satisfy you and everyone else here on why I chose "mythos" over something else.
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Post by zzz on Sept 1, 2009 8:32:17 GMT -5
You're taking the usage of "rather than human" too literaly. Mythos does NOT mean "a story told through a fictional artificial being" (which is exactly what your post is claiming it means), nor could it possibly mean that in any context.
A better definition would be "a pattern of beliefs expressing often symbolically the characteristic or prevalent attitudes in a group or culture". Your usage of the word is COMPLETELY wrong. And like I said, this IS important because if you want people to understand what you're trying to say then you need to define your words correctly. You might understand what you were trying to say, but other people may not have the same misconceptions about the word's definition that you do. 'Til people can read your mind, the excuse of "you know what I mean" doesn't fly, because people WON'T know what you mean if you use the wrong word.
Seriously, why the hell do the authors on this site take it personally when their word definitions are corrected? I'm not complaining about the article, the grammar, or the opinions. You go ahead and write what you want, dude, but word defintions are not a matter of opinion. All I'm doing is correcting a simple factual error.
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Post by zzz on Sept 1, 2009 11:04:01 GMT -5
BTW, based on the explanation you gave of her backstory and its relevance to the song in question, it appears that you were trying to say "mythology" all along. So I was right the first time.
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Post by Vendaval Este on Sept 1, 2009 15:53:11 GMT -5
I NOW KNOW THE ORIGIN OF THAT BITCH'S LEEK.
Thank you very much for writing this article, I've been waiting to learn the full story of Vocaloid but found it too much to read through Wikipedia and its neutrality.
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Post by cj iwakura on Sept 1, 2009 17:45:39 GMT -5
I wonder at what point thigh-high stockings went from being an accessory to the most overused design ever.
I'm guessing it started with Fate/Stay Night.
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Post by wyrdwad on Sept 1, 2009 18:16:01 GMT -5
zzz: I think what Dai is trying to say is "thank you for the correction, but I've decided not to use it".
Whether or not he's wrong, it's his prerogative to continue using the word he chose in that manner, and I think his aggravation stems more from you continuing to argue the point when it's quite obvious that he doesn't want to make the change you're suggesting.
I had no issue understanding what was meant, and I see this as valid usage for the word "mythos", so I see no reason to make this change if he doesn't wish it.
-Tom
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