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Post by docmarionum1 on Mar 14, 2012 9:20:14 GMT -5
I'm going to 100% agree with Jason X. If you invest time and money into something, you deserve to have whatever you want. You're never going to get exactly what you want. You buy a game based on faith that you will enjoy it. This faith comes from reviews and talk of the gameplay, production and story (in vague terms). But, if for you, a "bad" ending can ruin the whole experience, then there is no way to safely invest in a game without first spoiling the ending for yourself. That's really all there is to it. You're view of them may be altered, but the fact that you enjoyed the previous time does not change. Only if you then have an equal amount of suffering (of equal magnitude) does that offset the previous enjoyment. Is anyone going to say that this ending brought them 100+ hours of pain? |
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Post by megatronbison on Mar 14, 2012 9:30:20 GMT -5
I've heard that, but that would imply he was trying to twist their arm when he knew full well it was going to end - or a very high chance it would end. The writing was on the wall. A better director/writer would have had the good grace to realise this and bow out honourably, rather than clusterfuck the entire thing as if to say: SEE! NOW YOU HAVE TO LET ME CONTINUE! It's not always that a TV series, or indeed any kind of creative series, has the fortune to know when it will end - thereby allowing for a conclusive and definitive end. For many they just end abruptly with matters unresolved. With Twin Peaks they had an opportunity for closure and instead threw it away. I really have my doubts that he could have resolved everything in an hour long episode. Hey, Shenmue 2 should have wrapped up everything at the end if Sega had any brains they woulda known that right? They knew how over budget it was right? |
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Post by Sketcz-1000 on Mar 14, 2012 9:36:13 GMT -5
Based on what I've read regarding the planning stages of Shenmue, that project seemed doomed to failure before release. Too much money and not enough common sense.  At least the first game was neatly self-contained. We're diverging here, but it seems like it's almost worth discussing the nature of endings in games - the good, the bad, the lazy. To what degree is closure essential for different people? |
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Post by megatronbison on Mar 14, 2012 9:46:47 GMT -5
We're diverging here, but it seems like it's almost worth discussing the nature of endings in games - the good, the bad, the lazy. To what degree is closure essential for different people? For an RPG- give me something like FFVI, a long and epic ending, a beautiful score to go with it and hope too. It didn't go LOTR overboard but still felt like ample closure - didn't pull the whole "hey man, there might be a sequel!" crap. Don't give me a 2-5 minute inconclusive ending after investing 40+ hours into a game, it's insulting. |
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Post by docmarionum1 on Mar 14, 2012 9:50:36 GMT -5
You know, I think it used to bother me more when things weren't neatly wrapped up. And taken and face value, the end of ME3 is pretty piss poor. But either way, it left me wanting. And maybe that's it. I want to crazy theories to be true because I want a ME4 (not a DLC ending for ME3). It certainly would be misleading, since they've been saying that it would be a trilogy. But I do love the ME universe so much I'd rather have been mislead, than see it just come to an end.
If a game (or anything) really is coming to an end, and there isn't closure, I wouldn't say I like it. But the thing is, whenever you really love something, there can't be enough closure. You don't want it to just be wrapped up and over. If it's something I don't feel particularly strongly about, I'd say fine, let's just wrap it up and be done with it.
But when I love something, there's something about ambiguity that would give me hope that there is still yet more story - that my adventures as Shepard aren't over.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2012 11:37:54 GMT -5
I don't really know you or how you feel when you play games, docmario, but when I get into an experience, it's more than just a diversion. It's something I fully engross myself in. In many ways you could say it's like a relationship. Let's say you're with someone for five years. You have your ups and downs, but for the most part it's been great. Then in the last month you find out that your spouse has been lying to you the whole time. I can't speak for how you would react, but it would make me feel like I just wasted my time, money and emotions for the past five years on a lie. Maybe this means I take games too seriously. Fucking A. I wouldn't have it any other way. -edit- I fucking knew it: masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Kaloneous/Mass_Effect_3_%28True%29_Ending_DLC_Revealed%21%21 %21%21 |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2012 14:42:57 GMT -5
Damnit Jason, don't get our hopes up like that.
I haven't seen the ending yet but from all accounts from people who have, it's the antithesis of what Bioware promised about the saga (i.e., choices making a difference, etc.). This would be a hell of a good faith effort on Bioware/EA's part if they did indeed release this and did release it for free.
As for taking games too seriously there's no "maybe" about it, dude. You're just short of having a 100k gamerscore. You're fucking obsessed. Kidding aside, I'm torn between going for achievements/trophies and not. It's totally fun to go after them initially. I just get sick of playing them to completion (i.e., 1000g/platinum). This is true for games I love too - in some cases I didn't want to beat a game to death and spoil my future enjoyment (or memories) of it. I was going to go for the Insanity trophy in ME2 but I gave up because it's boring as hell. In other cases there are games I love playing but would never realistically be able to clear the higher-level trophies, such as a lot of bullet hell shooters.
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Post by The Great Klaid on Mar 14, 2012 15:42:34 GMT -5
I don't really know you or how you feel when you play games, docmario, but when I get into an experience, it's more than just a diversion. It's something I fully engross myself in. In many ways you could say it's like a relationship. Let's say you're with someone for five years. You have your ups and downs, but for the most part it's been great. Then in the last month you find out that your spouse has been lying to you the whole time. I can't speak for how you would react, but it would make me feel like I just wasted my time, money and emotions for the past five years on a lie. Maybe this means I take games too seriously. Fucking A. I wouldn't have it any other way. -edit- I fucking knew it: masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Kaloneous/Mass_Effect_3_%28True%29_Ending_DLC_Revealed%21%21 %21%21 That'd better be free. I really hate it when they do this I heard XIII-2 did this as well and I decided I was just going to wait until we got that DLC. And after I bought day one... |
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Post by Sketcz-1000 on Mar 15, 2012 3:18:22 GMT -5
Well if the leak is true, it does claim it's free. The original page linked doesn't work, but the guy's blog page has it. Time to us Spoiler tags: This is still just SPECULATION! This isn't Confirmed! Keep demanding a better ending untill they give it! If you stop demanding they will not take you seriously! The following information has yet to be confirmed but since the Multiplayer DLC (from the same user) showed to be true then we definately have reason to hope. images.wikia.com/masseffect/images/9/98/New_DLC_-The_Truth.pngNew True Ending All AlongEdit A few hours ago an anonymous user who leaked the multiplayer DLC (just an hour earlier) has claimed that the ending fiasco was deliberate because of the game’s storyline being leaked. They changed it so they could have more time to prepare the real ending DLC. It is called “The Truth”, and will be released in April or May… You will be able to continue your story if you picked any of the endings. Your decision during the sequence will have a big effect on the ending of The Truth. Also, The Truth adds two new sets of enemies, new classes, and multiplayer maps, including “Firebase Hive”, which is a small area of the last remaining Collector Ship included in the DLC, which, by the way, you should definitely bring Javik the Prothean along if you have them. The following picture shows some of the leaked multiplayer classes and races. One race that isn’t shown is the Prothean Adept and Vanguard. This DLC also, enables the ability for owners of the preorder and From Ashes DLC to find their DLC weapons in reinforcement packs. All of that content, and this might as well be labelled an expansion. And it’s Free! social.bioware.com/forum/Mass-Effect-3/Mass-Effect-3-Story-and-Campaign-Discussion-Spoilers-Allowed/This-is-a-REDICULOUS-claimbutif-trueHope--9919883-1.htmlSourceEdit The source of this information can be found here (LINK) My ThoughtsEdit What are your thoughts? Is this real, did BioWare take this fanbased uproar knowingly in order to not spoil the surprise? Who has egg on their face for this, the fans reactions or Bioware? Will they become the gods of RPG setting the standard for future game developers to struggle to even reach? Personally I think if this is true then they should be paying their development/programmer team more because they had to have worked overtime on it and that's an understatement. Being one of the more recent contributors to the wiki and the most vocal in my disgruntlement, I must say I am hopeful and since I don't have Xbox Live I guess it serve me right for complaining! ;'( It also reminds me of a quote I once read and I feel it is appropriate for this situation and sums up my feelings. There is nothing so well known as that we should not expect something for nothing - but we all do and call it Hope. Edgar Howe EDIT: Though this may be possible don't give up the "Retake Mass Effect 3" campaign. Keep the pressure up because if you do and it's true then Bioware will likely make it a free DLC, if it isn't then they will at least know the DLC is needed by the fanbase! Remember at this point it is still just SPECULATION! Until then, Remember, HOLD THE LINE! Demand better endings!Sign the facebook campaign because it is for charity too! |
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Post by megatronbison on Mar 15, 2012 6:16:33 GMT -5
DLC endings, Christ - the end times are here ;-D
Seriously though, they'd need to make this free otherwise, well- f*ck them and the horse they rode in on.
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Post by kyouki on Mar 15, 2012 6:32:17 GMT -5
I don't want to spoil the ending since I intend to pick this up... but I just can't get worked up over an ending. I don't see games like I see movies. A bad ending can ruin a film... but for me a game ending is just a reward for playing the game, or something to tell you to stop playing, or something. The hours I spent with ME2 were so enjoyable that even if the ending was a link to a youtube clip of Bioware employees laughing at the camera and calling me an asshole it wouldn't have bothered me.
Not saying you guys are stupid for feeling differently or anything, but I just don't see what the big deal is personally.
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Post by docmarionum1 on Mar 15, 2012 6:48:40 GMT -5
The original showed up on 4chan. There are probably some trolls getting a good laugh out of it.
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Post by megatronbison on Mar 15, 2012 7:13:08 GMT -5
The original showed up on 4chan. There are probably some trolls getting a good laugh out of it. The original? |
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Post by docmarionum1 on Mar 15, 2012 7:37:34 GMT -5
I meant the "leak" that Sketcz posted. The original image is just a screenshot of a 4chan post.
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Post by megatronbison on Mar 15, 2012 7:40:22 GMT -5
Ah! Can't click on those links til' I get home heh.
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