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Post by LouieBee on Jun 15, 2011 14:52:06 GMT -5
It's Miyamoto just being humble. Besides that, it seems his original intention was to create something that was "fun" rather than artsy. Nothing inflamitory as far as I'm concerned. I'll sidestep the whole art debate as well. Seems like that conversation/argument boils down to the eye of the beholder. I support this post. Miyamoto has been known to be modest. |
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Post by Jave on Jun 15, 2011 14:56:10 GMT -5
Honestly, I like the guy (inasmuch as I don't really know him, of course), Wii Music might have been a disaster, but I'm just glad that there are people out there from the old school who still treat games as silly, childish fun.
That said, I kind of agree that he's out of touch. Maybe that's what I like about him, but still.
There's enough talent in this industry with enough different points of view that we need not hang onto Miyamoto's every word like the medium depends on it.
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Post by ldorado on Jun 15, 2011 15:15:24 GMT -5
Last year, I attended a seminar in Atlanta about video games and art and left early because I felt like crying. Video games are a medium of entertainment and yes, a great deal of creativity is put into them, but trying to make a statement with them is both difficult and heart-wrenching.
I don't like the kinds of artists who will call piss on paper art. Essentially, they were doing the same at this seminar with oversimplified and horrendous video games, all of them college projects and all done by Westerners.
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Post by Ryu the Grappler on Jun 15, 2011 15:36:37 GMT -5
Was it the "Art History of Games" hosted by Georgia Tech? All the speakers there are a bunch of pretentious poseurs and a has-been (John Romero). arthistoryofgames.com/Here's what they said about the creator of Passage. It's a game where you control an ugly sub-Commodore 64 sprite and spent the entirety walking right. The only skill required is knowing how to hold right on your directional key. Contra: Hard Corps? Fire Emblem? Shinobi? Super Mario Bros. 3? Metal Gear Solid? Street Fighter II? Out of This World? Those are mere works of entertainment. They're not "art" like Passage. How lame can you get? Here's a quote from that Youtube video by someone with good taste. |
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Post by robertagilmour on Jun 15, 2011 16:04:51 GMT -5
The first two Silent Hill games are still my main definition of games as art.
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Post by seethoven on Jun 15, 2011 17:25:28 GMT -5
Earthbound is art, and the greatest tribute to Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band, ever.
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Post by ldorado on Jun 15, 2011 17:46:27 GMT -5
THANK YOU, JOHNNY!
Those people aren't interested in making real video games anymore. My mom arranged for a personal visit to see Romero and his division was working on software and equipment to help the deaf and/or mentally disabled. Sure, it's a good cause, but it's not what I want to do with my life! I hate meeting people who are stuck in the early 80s realm of gaming. The Japanese and even Koreans have done more to express themselves through games than those schmucks.
Surging Aura's artwork was done by Mutsumi Inomata and Front Mission by Yoshitaka Amano, both renowned artists. Yet, Philistines insist "oh, those are just cookie-cutter anime styles, they mean nothing." Can't believe people's ignorance sometimes...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2011 17:58:03 GMT -5
I actually think Amano's style is really lousy. Does that mean it's not art? Is Akira Toriyama's work art? I guess a better question is...who gives a shit? Play games, have fun. Everything else is irrelevant.
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Post by ldorado on Jun 15, 2011 18:18:49 GMT -5
I actually think Amano's style is really lousy. Does that mean it's not art? Is Akira Toriyama's work art? I guess a better question is...who gives a shit? Play games, have fun. Everything else is irrelevant. Everyone's entitled to their own opinion. Not everyone's entitled to tell me what I have and cannot have to give a shit about. |
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Post by susanismyalias on Jun 15, 2011 18:31:58 GMT -5
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Post by Jave on Jun 15, 2011 18:32:32 GMT -5
I hate meeting people who are stuck in the early 80s realm of gaming. Would you mind clarifying what you mean by that? I only ask because I love the early 80s realm of gaming. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2011 19:05:05 GMT -5
Everyone's entitled to their own opinion. Not everyone's entitled to tell me what I have and cannot have to give a shit about. Not so! As you said, everyone's entitled to their opinion. My opinion is that everyone is wasting their time by debating the nature of art. No one is required to adhere to that opinion, though, as it's a free country. It's the most basic truth of the internet. You will never change someone else's mind, so it's best to just enjoy your life and move along. -edit- Maybe I should clarify a bit, cause this might be coming across the wrong way. I'm not trying to say you're stupid, or that I have anything against you personally. I'm just incredibly tired of this same exact debate rearing its head like a hydra every other month. |
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Post by ldorado on Jun 15, 2011 19:20:31 GMT -5
I hate meeting people who are stuck in the early 80s realm of gaming. Would you mind clarifying what you mean by that? I only ask because I love the early 80s realm of gaming. I don't mean the innovative stuff and excitement, I mean like, text-based RPGs, the extreme Nintendo fandom that doesn't evolve beyond the first Donkey Kong and PacMan, and pixelated messes of games, especially the first attempts at eroge. Also, Johnny, sorry for the misunderstanding. Debating art is not the same thing as it was a hundred years ago. Now, ANYTHING can be called art with the right amount of drugs. |
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Post by susanismyalias on Jun 15, 2011 19:56:35 GMT -5
Drug use =/= understanding art? Idk what you're trying to say by that.
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Post by ldorado on Jun 15, 2011 20:12:37 GMT -5
Drug use =/= understanding art? Idk what you're trying to say by that. You know that effect that happens when people are on pot and everything's all "Cool!", "Whoah!", and such? One can achieve the illusion of understanding with drugs. Take the part in Family Guy (sorry, best I've got) where Stewie and Brian are in a pot cafe in the Netherlands and Stewie claims to have figured out why people die. |
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