|
|
Post by TheGunheart on Apr 24, 2012 2:05:46 GMT -5
While not exactly losing interest, I do find I've had to seriously re-evaluate what I play. Through most of this generation, I've found myself practically ignoring my favorite genres to play Western games, if only because they seemed to be more polished than their Japanese counterparts this gen.
But after Mass Effect 3, it finally occurred to me that I just wasn't having much fun with these things, and found myself playing less out of any real enjoyment and more out of the delusion that there was a "good part" coming up and I just had to wait through a few more random fetch quests to get there. Meanwhile, I could boot up Tales of Graces f and have a blast just by engaging in a fight.
|
|
|
|
Post by Sketcz-1000 on Apr 24, 2012 3:45:17 GMT -5
Yeah, this is something that kind of irks me about today's gaming community. There seems to be a hell of a lot more groupthink and dare I say peer pressure surrounding what you play. Probably due to forums and friends watching each other's XBL/PSN tags (at least the more pedantic and obsessive ones). I'm sure if people I knew could see my PSN tag, their reaction would be "why are you playing that game" or "you should be playing this game because it has the arbitrary Gamer Seal of Approval (TM)". Really? Really?That's just strange. I hate trophies, but I actually take pleasure in the fact that I've got a whole bunch of weird ones for games which no one else I know has. And I like to think they see them, say WTF is that?, and then maybe look into it. If anything I'm disappointed some of the weirder imports I have never had trophies. The mentality you describe, of people disapproving of fringe tastes, seems so alien to me. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't want anyone like that on my friend's list. A lot of the enjoyment I still get from games is discovering the undiscovered and then trying to get others to play it. |
|
|
|
Post by r0ck3rz on Apr 24, 2012 9:34:02 GMT -5
Well, I kinda gotta contradict my last post here. I was playing the re-translation of Chrono Trigger (the less insanely literal one here, www.romhacking.net/translations/1258/ ), and don't get me wrong, excellent game for the genre, hell I might have liked the genre a whole hell of a lot more if this game became the influence it should have, but, roughly halfway through, I began to realize something. I just don't want to put in that kind of time to get from start to finish in any game. I think I'm an arcade gamer at heart, and that's where I lost interest in recent generations as well. |
|
|
|
Post by Allie on Apr 24, 2012 9:46:17 GMT -5
Yeah, this is something that kind of irks me about today's gaming community. There seems to be a hell of a lot more groupthink and dare I say peer pressure surrounding what you play. Probably due to forums and friends watching each other's XBL/PSN tags (at least the more pedantic and obsessive ones). I'm sure if people I knew could see my PSN tag, their reaction would be "why are you playing that game" or "you should be playing this game because it has the arbitrary Gamer Seal of Approval (TM)". Really? Really?That's just strange. I hate trophies, but I actually take pleasure in the fact that I've got a whole bunch of weird ones for games which no one else I know has. And I like to think they see them, say WTF is that?, and then maybe look into it. If anything I'm disappointed some of the weirder imports I have never had trophies. The mentality you describe, of people disapproving of fringe tastes, seems so alien to me. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't want anyone like that on my friend's list. A lot of the enjoyment I still get from games is discovering the undiscovered and then trying to get others to play it. In my case, it's not about "weird" tastes (no real desire to learn Japanese + an absolute seething hatred of loli and moe = not a whole lot of "weird" imports being bought [since even if it's not loli, it'll still be text-heavy enough to be useless to someone who isn't going to learn to read the language]), as much as it is that I'm willing to give games that got mediocre-to-bad reviews a shot once their prices start to drop, even when the internet hivemind is still mocking the games as worthless crap because they're not either surefire huge sellers, or otherwise going to go down in the annals of gaming history. Game that aren't exactly considered good, but aren't so out and out awful to be Kusoge (so people end up somehow offended by just how forgettable or easily missed the game is), that tends to be the worst sin of all in this digital age. (I'm looking at games like Samurai Legend Musashi here, just as an example...) |
|
|
|
Post by Sketcz-1000 on Apr 25, 2012 2:11:08 GMT -5
Well, I'm pretty sure I don't own any loli or moe games, and there's not many text heavy games I have either. But fringe stuff (or panned games). Aquanauts Holiday on PS3 for example. I've recently been playing the Power Pro baseball RPG on PS2, anything out of the ordinary. I'm willing to give games that got mediocre-to-bad reviews a shot once their prices start to drop, even when the internet hivemind is still mocking the games as worthless crap because they're not either surefire huge sellers, or otherwise going to go down in the annals of gaming history. You have earned my eternal respect for having that kind of attitude. Some of my best experiences with games have been trying the ones critics have panned. Way of the Samurai 3 received 3/10 in GamesTM, but I had a helluva lot of fun in its sandbox world. Alone in the Dark on PS3 (the fixed version), was met with apathy, but it was probably my game of the year. Add to that list Deadly Premonition and (vicariously) Operation Darkness. In fact last week I completed I Am Alive, which netted VERY low scores across the board. Flawed? Yes, very much. But damn if it isn't an unusual premise. I suspect everyone was expecting Uncharted style climbing, so the fact it broke away from that and was actually a difficult game, put them off. There's an awful tendency in the press to bring the hate to games which don't fully deserve it. |
|
|
|
Post by Catalyst on Apr 25, 2012 2:18:09 GMT -5
I find that this generation, if a game isn't absolutely damn near perfect, it's classified as horrible, unplayable, and worthless. And according to alot of others that playing said game somehow makes you less of a person. I just ignore that though and play my games.
|
|
|
|
Post by beach1 on Apr 25, 2012 3:17:12 GMT -5
Yeah, this is something that kind of irks me about today's gaming community. There seems to be a hell of a lot more groupthink and dare I say peer pressure surrounding what you play. Probably due to forums and friends watching each other's XBL/PSN tags (at least the more pedantic and obsessive ones). I'm sure if people I knew could see my PSN tag, their reaction would be "why are you playing that game" or "you should be playing this game because it has the arbitrary Gamer Seal of Approval (TM)". Really? Really?That's just strange. I hate trophies, but I actually take pleasure in the fact that I've got a whole bunch of weird ones for games which no one else I know has. And I like to think they see them, say WTF is that?, and then maybe look into it. If anything I'm disappointed some of the weirder imports I have never had trophies. The mentality you describe, of people disapproving of fringe tastes, seems so alien to me. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't want anyone like that on my friend's list. A lot of the enjoyment I still get from games is discovering the undiscovered and then trying to get others to play it. I haven't seen that for video games, but I've seen that with some people about music recently. It's very disheartening. I also would think others would be curious and intrigued if they saw something that they weren't familiar with and would want to maybe find out about it more. |
|
|
|
Post by Allie on Apr 25, 2012 11:37:10 GMT -5
I find that this generation, if a game isn't absolutely damn near perfect, it's classified as horrible, unplayable, and worthless. And according to alot of others that playing said game somehow makes you less of a person. I just ignore that though and play my games. And it seems like the only time exceptions are made are if a meme can be extracted from a game ("YOU'RE WINNER!" and the infinite reverse speed glitch, for example). |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2012 12:11:37 GMT -5
Really? Really?That's just strange. I hate trophies, but I actually take pleasure in the fact that I've got a whole bunch of weird ones for games which no one else I know has. And I like to think they see them, say WTF is that?, and then maybe look into it. If anything I'm disappointed some of the weirder imports I have never had trophies. The mentality you describe, of people disapproving of fringe tastes, seems so alien to me. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't want anyone like that on my friend's list. A lot of the enjoyment I still get from games is discovering the undiscovered and then trying to get others to play it. I have to agree with this. I like having oddball games like Deadly Premonition and Catherine on my history. The hope would be that people would see those and wonder what they are, then give them a chance. |
|
|
|
Post by Ryu the Grappler on Apr 25, 2012 14:46:44 GMT -5
I know I'm probably going to come off unsympathetic with this remark (and I apologize if I do, since it's not my intent), but I never understood why people feel need to start such dramatic threads when they get tired of a hobby or a forum. I've been posting on the internet ever since middle school and I've been a member of several forums (both, game and entertainment-related, as well as short-lived fads that I was into at different points), had my fair share of e-drama as well (which is not exactly a thing I'm proud to admit). When I stop posting in a forum, it was mostly because I found the site boring after a certain point than anything else. It's better to leave quietly than make a big fuss about it in my opinion. The fact that I keep my personal life and online life separately probably makes this easier for me.
Personally, I'm more shocked at the fact that Ike was actually held at gunpoint by a robber. That must've been pretty awful for you. Any hobby a person has will seem insignificant after undergoing such an experience. Sorry to hear about that.
|
|
|
|
Post by Ike on Apr 25, 2012 14:52:32 GMT -5
Well, I can only speak for myself, but I made the thread primarily because I wanted some feedback (which I got in spades, thank you) and because I feel like what I'm going through is probably actually less uncommon amongst our forumgoers than one would think. My intention was not to start any drama, but just to discuss.
Plus, I know that several people here have been intensely interested in a few pieces I own, and I'd like them to go to a good home.
|
|
|
|
Post by Ryu the Grappler on Apr 25, 2012 15:17:19 GMT -5
I didn't mean "dramatic" in an inflammatory way, but more in a depressing "things are not as good as they used to be" kind of way. It's not just in this thread, I've seen people who post in other forums that I lurk at that used to be very passionate about a certain hobby (or even a certain popular franchise), only to turn it all around years later and admit that they don't like it as much as they used to. I don't know, maybe we're all growing up and are learning the hard way that we shouldn't be treating games or other hobbies too seriously.
I don't play video games to find "hidden meanings", "morals" or anything like that, but I'll admit that I'm more addicted to games than I should be and I'm trying to tone it down as well to be honest. I'm more of an old-school gamer and not by choice (since I don't have a PS3 or Xbox 360 yet, I only have access to newer games through personal friends or relatives). I have an entire backcatalog of old games for various platforms (most of which I haven't finished yet), but I mostly spent my time playing emulators anyway since it's much easier to do so than go through the trouble of plugging in an older console (especially now that my NES is having problems).
|
|
|
|
Post by steven on Apr 26, 2012 1:22:58 GMT -5
I didn't mean "dramatic" in an inflammatory way, but more in a depressing "things are not as good as they used to be" kind of way. It's not just in this thread, I've seen people who post in other forums that I lurk at that used to be very passionate about a certain hobby (or even a certain popular franchise), only to turn it all around years later and admit that they don't like it as much as they used to. I don't know, maybe we're all growing up and are learning the hard way that we shouldn't be treating games or other hobbies too seriously. Aw man, don't go makin' me cry now. Seriously. I dunno why, but that quote there... somehow it makes me a sad panda. I've noticed this as early back in the '90s. I remember when my late teenager friends phased gaming out of their lives in the mid-late '90s. I remember being shocked as they were the ones who had a collection of 100+ games (back in the early '90s this was an incredible feat) Now I'm seeing e-friends sort of experiencing what my real life friends did circa '95, '96. Yeah, maybe we are growing up to realize there IS more to life than just playing, hunting and collecting video games. I've definitely seen e-friends come and go in this hobby the last couple years. Always sad in some small way. Especially sad when I see webmasters stop updating their game-related fansite. I know this has been said 100 times before but the key really is to put games in its rightful place and perspective. I think this sums it up. I find I always enjoy gaming most when I partake in it after a long productive day at work, or late on a Saturday night coming home after hanging out with some friends. Gaming for me at least is not the same when you, say, specifically dedicate your day around it. |
|
|
|
Post by r0ck3rz on Apr 26, 2012 8:09:55 GMT -5
Yeah, pretty much it should be for us like T.V. was to the previous generations(not that couch potatoes didn't exist). I'd certainly like to think this isn't anyone here: kotaku.com/5904367/another-day-another-death-threat-from-gamers-to-the-people-who-make-video-gamesOne of the things I've come to realize about myself is, I don't think I ever really liked RPGs so much as, at the time, finding a genre that took up so much time. Nowadays I see discussion on how gaming is roughly a 25-60 hour experience, like that's a good thing, and it just seems wrong to me somehow. So far removed from the beginning when video games were so much more, well, game-like. Especially after beating the 2 arcade Denjin Makai(this series needs an article if any of you are beat 'em up fans. I'd dare say this hangs with, if not puts to shame, Capcoms best, Streets of Rage 2, and whatever else you can think of) games back to back in maybe 3 hours. I dunno, maybe I'm the one that developed an odd outlook on things, but there are so many things people talk about positively regarding the modern era, which is often the kinds of things I gave it up for. Anyway, it really does need to not be taken so seriously, but that's probably a little difficult when you have movements that want video games to be art, want video games to be storytelling devices on par with movies, and then you get stupid stuff like that article I posted. |
|
|
|
Post by Ryu the Grappler on Apr 26, 2012 12:01:32 GMT -5
I think video games are just as good now as they ever were back in the day, if not better. Even though I play older games (stuff from 80s and 90s) more often than newer games, there are many games today that I wouldn't had imagined were possible back in the 90s. That's why I find people who claim that Earthbound (a mere Dragon Quest-clone) was "the only 'true' art game ever made" or that Policenauts (a point-and-click game with blatantly plagiarized main characters) has more artistic merit than the entire Metal Gear Solid series to be rather laughable.
|
|
