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Post by kitten on May 12, 2011 20:39:11 GMT -5
Sotenga is the invisible eye of God come down to smite us More like the "Eye of Judgment" hahahaha see what I did there   |
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Post by kitten on May 12, 2011 19:29:45 GMT -5
we really don't know jack shit about the attack or if anyone could or would handle it better. A lot of information about the attack has been publicly released, then there are things like this article about how Sony's security was shitty. Notice the date. Yeah, that's before the attack. Sony knew they had shitty security. The FBI also questioned Sony for how long it took them to get to their customers about this. Everyone knows Sony did shitty, don't sit there and pull the "we don't know jack shit," because the information is all over the net and very easy to find. They're being torn apart by everyone that can report it for very good reason. They could have handled this much, much better, or even prevented it from happening. This is the very first time there has been a breach of this scale related to video gaming. It's kind of shocking, even for me, and I loathe Sony. The fact they would handle a situation this poorly or even allow it to happen is utterly ridiculous. This isn't just "oh, shit happens," it's actually quite serious. Sony is losing a billion dollars. A billion dollars doesn't just grow from trees, it's kind of a lot of money. This is in addition to their third party supporters losing tons of money, and the incalculable amount they're going to lose from loss of faith and support. That's cool, you don't care. You're one of seventy-seven fucking million people who got hit. Compromising even a few thousand is a pretty serious matter. Compromising a million is ridiculous. Compromising dozens of millions is just fucking crazy. Oh yeah, another 24 million were hit in Europe, bringing the total to over 100 million! I guarantee at least a percentage of these people are FURIOUS that their information was compromised, and 1% of 100 million is still one million people. This is a tremendous, tremendous fuck-up. If you don't care, that's fine. This happened to a lot more people than you. If you don't play online, why are you even trying to argue about the severity of this situation? You don't play a great deal of video games, as-is. I could probably count the retail PS3 games you own on one hand, and the number of PS3 games you've played online with one finger. You are writing up a big defense, here, not only with a dire lack of information about the subject, but barely even being in the category of the affected. No, it wouldn't. You have no information to support your claims, have done no research on the matter, and have no experience to support it, either. I have no idea why you're even making this claim. It's a shitty situation that I'd feel at least a bit of sympathy for Nintendo or Microsoft over, even if I don't really support them much (or at all) right now. Over 100 million people have information compromised and cannot access a service they very may well have gotten on daily to interact with their friends over. You then say you don't give a shit it happens to you and imply we should have sympathy for Sony, who took a damn week to even let their customers know what was going on and had the awful security to have something like this happen in the first place. If you want to show sympathy, you might want to start by showing it to the people who deserve it, the people who were wronged by this breach of security, terrible customer service and silence by the people they gave their money to, and not the corporation who sat on their asses and went "do we even send an e-mail about this? I dunno, man." |
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Post by kitten on May 12, 2011 18:37:03 GMT -5
And suddenly the Lego stage makes sense. bullshit nothing about the boss there makes sense |
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Post by kitten on May 12, 2011 16:09:35 GMT -5
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Post by kitten on May 12, 2011 16:07:49 GMT -5
"Sony is an utterly shit one." You needed this to realize it? Absolutely not  This is just further evidence. Glaring, irrefutable, public-relations-destroying evidence. And Microsoft are somehow a saintly company? The guys who wouldn't let Aksys publish Castle Shikigami 3 on their console? Screw them. Oh, please. Compare that to SCEA's policy that prevented dozens of 2D games being properly released. Like I said, I don't believe Microsoft is good, but good fucking God they're not as low as Sony. |
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Post by kitten on May 12, 2011 15:53:00 GMT -5
It's much less "Microsoft is a good company" than it is "Sony is an utterly shit one." I mean, if we look earlier into the thread, even the FBI was suspicious of why it took Sony so long to react to their customers. A security breach on a gaming platform like this one is literally unparalleled, and Sony has a history of being steps behind on the PSN as a service (messaging, chat, XMB, trophies, invites, organization, firmware updates, etc.). The fact they had shitty security and had everything compromised when Microsoft hasn't, despite being around twice as long, also seems like pretty good evidence.
They're both less likely to have something like this happen and more likely to have considerably better treatment of their customers. Microsoft has always been proactive about informing their users about downtime or other issues (like when they dropped service for original Xbox games, you got 3 free months of Xbox Live, $5 worth of Microsoft Points and beta access to Halo: Reach if you had been a player of the only really active original XBL game left [you were notified via e-mail, twice, and over Xbox messaging, twice]. Or when they made a huge deal about taking in RRoD consoles for absolutely free, whereas Sony basically hid their PS2 had issues and only temporarily offered compensation). Sony has a history of not keeping in touch and just being shitty to their customers.
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Post by kitten on May 12, 2011 15:30:27 GMT -5
Contra 4 sold 280,000 copies and holds an 83 (better than Hard Corps: Uprising, Contra Rebirth, Shattered Soldier and Neo Contra) on MetaCritic. I've also heard mostly positive reception from fans.
For a cheaply outsourced game, that's actually really fucking good.
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Post by kitten on May 12, 2011 15:05:14 GMT -5
It's just conjecture, though. We have absolutely no knowledge of what was done to Sony, and no way of knowing if Microsoft would fare any better. It's not just conjecture. Similar companies like Apple have had pretty bad breaches before, and have handled the situation much better. Sony's handling of this situation is seriously just notorious. It's difficult to compare to anything because it's so absurd. Yeah, I cannot prove beyond any shadow of a doubt that Microsoft is more secure to the point where this wouldn't happen, or that their customer service would 100% certainly handle this situation better, but you can look at the history and make a pretty logical estimation that it would be a lot better and that they do have better security preventing this kind of thing from happening. I mean, maybe because some of you guys are gamers, you don't understand the severity and utter fucking ridiculousness of how bad Sony has bombed this situation. It may not affect you much, but this is a huge fucking deal and has already been estimated that it's going to cost Sony over one billion dollars. That's NOT EVEN GETTING INTO how much it's costing all of Sony's affiliates, who rely on that service being available to sell their products, or the irreparable and incalculable harm this is going to do to their reputation and loyalty. This is something that is pretty much incomparable in modern times in terms of PR failure and security breaching. It's not just "Oh, I can't get online a few weeks and I guess I need to change my password. I mean, this could just happen to any company, and I guess they're handling it." What annoys me is the implication I see all the time that anybody who prefers the PS3 must be a blind fanboy. 360 owners love to look at each other and say, "Those poor PS3 owners. Xbox live is so much better. They have no idea what they're missing! Tsk tsk." Well, I know exactly what I'm missing, and I felt the tradeoff was worth it. To quote myself from earlier - "There are reasons to prefer PSN, I'll definitely admit that, and plenty of legitimacy behind considering it the better service for you even after this event, but it's just a seriously embarrassing hit for Sony and I'm hoping it knocks their swarms of blind loyals down a few rungs. " |
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Post by kitten on May 12, 2011 14:36:51 GMT -5
That's not what I'm saying. Are you even listening? I'm saying we have no idea if Microsoft would handle this better or not. You can say it is probable. Not certain. Are you even listening to me? Yes, it's not necessarily 100% certain, but it's so highly probable that it's not worth considering that they would treat the situation remotely this poorly. Why you keep repeatedly arguing that it's just a "maybe," when tons of evidence and history supports that Microsoft would handle the situation better? I mean, you can't prove I won't be abducted by aliens in five minutes, but you can use a little common sense to estimate that I'm not going to be. |
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Post by kitten on May 12, 2011 14:20:47 GMT -5
this fucking thread
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Post by kitten on May 12, 2011 13:27:49 GMT -5
I don't however see why people think it's so certain Microsoft would do so much better. Maybe they would, maybe they wouldn't. Let's all hope we never find out and even when we do all of us have learned to use point cards. Xbox Live has never been hacked like this, and has been around for 8 and a half years. It has had few, but significant firmware updates that interrupt online play. PSN has been around for 4 and a half years and has constant, irregularly scheduled updates that interrupt online play and has now been down for about a month with no sign it's going back up for another few weeks, despite repeated promises. "It's free" is no longer an excuse with Playstation Plus subscribers getting hit hard by this. PSN is also notoriously easier to play hacked online games with. Xbox Live definitely has its fair share of hackers, but they're very aggressive about cracking down on them as quickly as possible. Sony's policing of the service is fucking embarrassingly poor and hilariously easy to abuse. I don't know if you've ever tried playing a Call of Duty game on both systems, but the difference is phenomenal in terms of which netcode performs better and which system has more games ruined because hackers. Microsoft also has years of experience with online security that Sony just doesn't have, and, as clearly evidenced, doesn't really care so much about having even after it's become a public catastrophe. They know and understand the importance of customer service and keeping their service secure, and have evidenced it repeatedly while Sony has constantly evidenced the contrary. Microsoft has had to go down before for a day a couple times, before, and offered free games when this has happened (Undertow and Carcassonne). Who is to say that those down times weren't because of hacker attempts, we were just told it was maintenance. Sure, you can say Microsoft wouldn't handle this any better, but you're just being a smug brat playing devil's advocate. It is like betting on a donkey in a horse race and then turning to the person sitting next to you and saying "yeah, well the one with the most bets on it and best track record could have tripped over its own two feet just as easily." "Maybe the company with a better, longer track record, better customer service and better history of security (remember when Sony put DRM's in music CD's and then didn't tell people?) wouldn't do better than a company with a history of being worse in all of those departments. I mean, you can't prove that they would." |
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Post by kitten on May 12, 2011 0:46:51 GMT -5
Not to mention that Xbox Live has been around much longer and had much more time for such a hack to occur.
Zell, seriously, you're being absolutely ridiculous and naive.
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Post by kitten on May 11, 2011 19:11:22 GMT -5
Yeah so Sony is taking way longer than Microsoft would to fix this. So the people who are pro microsoft- what do you actually gain from this? I am curious why so many people get so aggressive over this kind of stuff. I wouldnt' argue that I'm "pro-Microsoft," it's just that Xbox Live is a considerably more secure and robust service with infinitely better customer service. Sony's handling of this situation and the very fact that it even got to the point where it happened is evidence of how inferior the service is and how little they care about actually keeping their customers happy or even securing their information (they didn't even encrypt passwords). I suppose, to an extent, my being aggressive about it is mostly because I'm sick of having to listen to people argue that Sony is by any measure a better company than Microsoft when it comes to this issue. Sony "fanboys" are painfully blind and ignorant when it tends to come to defense of their service, and this situation is really proving how ridiculous the brand loyalty is. There are reasons to prefer PSN, I'll definitely admit that, and plenty of legitimacy behind considering it the better service for you even after this event, but it's just a seriously embarrassing hit for Sony and I'm hoping it knocks their swarms of blind loyals down a few rungs. |
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Post by kitten on May 11, 2011 1:16:08 GMT -5
(of december)
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Post by kitten on May 11, 2011 0:56:26 GMT -5
PSN is apparently down until May 31st. This is fucking hilarious. No more "You can't say Microsoft would have done any better" bullshit, this is just beyond absurd.
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This is just further evidence. Glaring, irrefutable, public-relations-destroying evidence.
