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Post by Yukito on Dec 27, 2013 22:47:05 GMT -5
I think it's likely that if the success of the 3D Resurrection Project continues that eventually M2 will start doing collections of games again and that's where we'd see Gunstar Heroes pop up, as a two-for-one deal with the GBA sequel.
It just makes way too much sense given M2's obsessions, that it's sequel was exclusive to a portable and the GBA game is getting rarer by the day. And no grumbling! The GBA game may not have been as good as the original, but it was a nice effort in its own right!
I really thought it was sad how they almost didn't find an original arcade machine to help with their work of Super Hang On. It's depressing to think that just like with old movies, before the wider public catches on to the need to preserve them, a lot of them will be gone beyond repair and all we will have is the memories of knowledgeable critics who can tell us what it was like and why it was important.
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Post by Malev on Dec 28, 2013 15:01:20 GMT -5
Just mentioning that all the 3D SEGA Classics have Miiverse communities, though the shooter ones are still sparse. At least I can say that my post is one of the most popular for Space Harrier
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Post by Joseph Joestar on Dec 28, 2013 17:08:23 GMT -5
Just mentioning that all the 3D SEGA Classics have Miiverse communities, though the shooter ones are still sparse. At least I can say that my post is one of the most popular for Space Harrier Fucking Nintendo, taking away one of the few good things about Miiverse, etc. Thanks a ton, Animal Crossing pedos, this is why we can't have nice things....
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Post by Malev on Dec 28, 2013 19:56:37 GMT -5
Fucking Nintendo, taking away one of the few good things about Miiverse, etc. Thanks a ton, Animal Crossing pedos, this is why we can't have nice things.... I think you're talking about Swapnote. Miiverse doesn't have a limit to the ink and can be seen by all, yet doesn't have color options and 4koma/comic strip aspects nor drawing on images.
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Post by Joseph Joestar on Dec 28, 2013 20:02:17 GMT -5
Fucking Nintendo, taking away one of the few good things about Miiverse, etc. Thanks a ton, Animal Crossing pedos, this is why we can't have nice things.... I think you're talking about Swapnote. Miiverse doesn't have a limit to the ink and can be seen by all, yet doesn't have color options and 4koma/comic strip aspects nor drawing on images. Ok, I think I misheard that they got rid of the sketching in Miiverse as well, since they eliminated swapnote and the trainer's card sketches in Pokemon X/Y.
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Post by Super Orbus on Dec 28, 2013 21:28:15 GMT -5
Allowing people to make drawings and pass them around to random strangers who are likely to be kids does seem like it would be asking for trouble.
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Post by Yukito on Dec 28, 2013 21:48:37 GMT -5
Well, of course but the difference is that in the Miiverse (at least the 3DS one, dunno about Wii U) you can't have private correspondences. Nintendo can see and moderate all posts. SwapNote had no moderation. Still, that incident was rough luck for Nintendo. I remember when I first got my 3DS and started exchanging friend codes with strangers online. In the chat area, one creeper guy was asking this kid if he'd ever seen a man's penis or had sex before. I was like, "Holy guacamole! It really does happen!" And then of course everyone who was in the chat at the time unfriended that guy as quickly as possible.
Except for me, I went to my local police box and reported the guy because if I unfriended instantly I would lose the evidence. I asked a local police officer I often talk to about it a little while later and he said Nintendo cooperated with them and they forwarded it to the precinct where the guy lives, but of course he didn't know what happened after that. So apparently it happens more often than we think and Nintendo seems to be pretty proactive in stamping it out.
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Post by Colonel Kurtz on Dec 29, 2013 14:04:08 GMT -5
Allowing people to make drawings and pass them around to random strangers who are likely to be kids does seem like it would be asking for trouble. We all know that. But it was cool to buy a 3D drawing app and send 3D shout-outs to friends. I will survive.
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Post by klausien on Jan 6, 2014 2:34:47 GMT -5
Ferrari needs to give Sega carte blanche on re-releasing games from the OutRun series, and they NEED to do a 3DS release of OutRun NOW. Even the vastly limited Super Hang On was absolutely glorious in 3D. Hell, make it a collection of the OutRun titles. "Just do it."
Sega had the f#$king SegaScope back in the day, and now they are showing Nintendo how it is f#$king DONE on the 3DS. I feel what you have been saying Joseph Joestar. Killer Apps, one and all. THIS is what retrogamers are looking for. Do up all of the Master System 3D games too. M2 wants to play, and I want to PAY. As it is, I even rebought f$$king Altered Beast because I want them to continue doing this. The PS2 Sega Ages titles, plus the stellar Sega Rally 1995 bonus disc, were my favorite games in the PS2/XBox/GCN generation.
My question is, why has Nintendo not taken advantage and given us the Virtual Boy on the Virtual Console?!? I know I want it!
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Post by Colonel Kurtz on Jan 6, 2014 5:24:09 GMT -5
I won't repeat again how incredible the SEGA 3D Collection is, not only for old nostalgics, but much more for younger players who have legitimate reasons to be baffled by the quality of the games (well, most of them) SEGA brought to the 3DS; how much this SEGA collection really is on another level than Nintendo's 3D classics; after having released lots of GameGear Sonics on the 3DS, boom! The real deal, the Mega Drive version! In 3D no less! I believe Sonic and Super Shinobi 2 should be the ones that engage forum discussions; they are really meaty games. Don't underestimate the passion that kids have for Sonic.
BtW.... actually, I just wanted to post to tell those of us that are on the fence regarding Sonic 1, that the additionof Sonic 2's spin dash is a real pleasure. Doesn't break the game, but makes levels 3 (pinball stage) and Labyrinth Zone much less... slow and tedious. And the game remains what it is: a game that is much, much slower than it's reputation. It's more the verticality and the chaos of the level designs that make it the original Sonic. Still fantastic.
to the post above: SEGA already released Out Run versions with a changed car that was different enough to let them bypass the Ferrari license. But of course it would be sad to play OutRun without Ferrari, esp. considering Out Run 2 and particularly one of the most underrated racing game I ever played: Ferrari F-355 challenge. It remains the most satisfying arcade simulation I ever played.
What I cannot imagine, is that SEGA could decide not to release Outrun in the 3D collection at all. That would be insane...
I also can understand, on the other hand, why we may see more Genesis conversions and even less arcade conversions: not only is the number of great Super-scaler games not that high; but more important, Mega Drive games, when they originated on the console, are much, much more complex, complete games. I can see kids going crazy for Sonic in 3D, and not caring about Super Hang-On. Pretty logical. Because you cannot get better games in the e-shop at these prices.
I see kids are really surprised by Super Shinobi 2 on forums; most have NEVER played a good Mega Drive game, and are evidently completely underestimating the machine and it's games. I read a lot of confused posts by kids who had no idea the MD could produce such beautiful games, that play so well, and which are long, immersive games.
I'm of those that pray SEGA release Phantasy Star IV in 3D. Imagine PS IV for six bucks. If they play Phantasy Star, they'll be forced to see SEGA in a positive light, those kids...
OTOH, I'm not a supporter of SMS conversions, because it would simply give us 8-bit games that are in direct competition with the unkillable, immortal NES games, 3D or not. They do that with the Game Gear, and at least the Sonic games must sell well; but for the 3D collection, I say stay with arcade and Mega Drive. That way those games are already head and shoulders above Nintendo's retro offerings, technically and action-wise. The 3D collection should remain exceptional, so I hope they don't dilute it by porting 8-bit games. I had the SEGA 3D glasses at the time. It was fantastic; but the games have simply aged too poorly. The SMS 3D games should remain a memory.
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Post by Colonel Kurtz on Jan 6, 2014 5:39:58 GMT -5
My question is, why has Nintendo not taken advantage and given us the Virtual Boy on the Virtual Console?!? I know I want it! Because converting games to stereophonic 3D costs a lot of time and money to make. A game like Space Harrier 3D, for instance, was basically rebuilt from the ground up to enable 3D. Even with Virual Boy, there would be a cost that Nintendo may not recoup, since VirtuaBoy games have zero recognition; ... And because Nintendo are Nintendo! We should have had SNES games in the 3DS e-shop from the get-go... but it's clear that Nintendo will continue selling their oldest, simplest 8-bit games, because they sell well even today. Tho only reason Nintendo would offer more advanced retro games, is if the NES games finally croak and stop selling. And this may never happen. Honestly, when you think about it, it is unbelievable how well Nintendo squeeze money out of their NES games. It's admirable, really. That's also the reason why we got a 3D Classics Urban Champion instead of 3D Super Mario World. What I'm saying is that, with their retro catalogue, Nintendo are completely opposed to any evolution until they really have to port all their other older games because the old Famicom games finally stop selling. Typical Nintendo vs SEGA; SEGA are more technically inclined, release "newer" games; and Nintendo is simply a name that rhymes with status quo. I'm specifically talking about the3DS e-shop here. Oh, and releasing an Outrun 3D collection would mean porting Out Runners, which I really don't think the 3DS can handle. Out Runners would be the ultimate arcade 3D port. Imagine that in 3D! Let's dream: imagine online rivals! gaah! Actually I'd pay for a non-enhanced port of Out Runners.
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Post by Joseph Joestar on Jan 6, 2014 6:00:12 GMT -5
Man, I'm a little bummed...when I saw that there was an update to the thread I was hoping that they'd made an announcement about phase 2 . At the same time though this is an excellent line and it's totally worth your money.
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Post by Colonel Kurtz on Jan 6, 2014 6:05:36 GMT -5
Man, I'm a little bummed...when I saw that there was an update to the thread I was hoping that they'd made an announcement about phase 2 . At the same time though this is an excellent line and it's totally worth your money. Sorry man... My initial intention was just to note the addition of the spin-dash in Sonic 1... then my enthusiasm got the better of me. We know After Burner II is already out in Japan, so that one is a certitude. No other info. But seeing how well phase 1 turned, it's tempting to speculate a little. And I'm optimistic there will be a huge demand for Mega Drive classics. At this point in time, M2 are one of the unexpected winners. I'm positive they won't drop the ball. Now, if they want profit, I guess they should immediately concentrate their efforts on the Sonic games, which is the only franchise that will sell on name recognition alone, and should do particularly well on the 3DS, which is owned by lots of kids who simply cannot get enough of Sonic, and even bought the Game Gear Sonic games - which are mostly perfectly fine BTW, apart from the GG's low resolution - At this point, Sonic is a perfectly legitimate member of Nintendo's universe, which is a smart move from Nintendo... Sonic & Knuckles would be great to have in 3D! But I think M2 know that, and use Sonic as a central piece that is a strong enough - and awesome enough - franchise to maybe interest kids in all the other Golden Age SEGA games. A perfectly poetic ending to the series would be Virtua Racing and Virtua Fighter. And end the collection at the point when polygons changed the art of making games.
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Post by Joseph Joestar on Jan 6, 2014 7:38:56 GMT -5
Man, I'm a little bummed...when I saw that there was an update to the thread I was hoping that they'd made an announcement about phase 2 . At the same time though this is an excellent line and it's totally worth your money. Sorry man... My initial intention was just to note the addition of the spin-dash in Sonic 1... then my enthusiasm got the better of me. We know After Burner II is already out in Japan, so that one is a certitude. No other info. But seeing how well phase 1 turned, it's tempting to speculate a little. And I'm optimistic there will be a huge demand for Mega Drive classics. At this point in time, M2 are one of the unexpected winners. I'm positive they won't drop the ball. Now, if they want profit, I guess they should immediately concentrate their efforts on the Sonic games, which is the only franchise that will sell on name recognition alone, and should do particularly well on the 3DS, which is owned by lots of kids who simply cannot get enough of Sonic, and even bought the Game Gear Sonic games - which are mostly perfectly fine BTW, apart from the GG's low resolution - At this point, Sonic is a perfectly legitimate member of Nintendo's universe, which is a smart move from Nintendo... Sonic & Knuckles would be great to have in 3D! But I think M2 know that, and use Sonic as a central piece that is a strong enough - and awesome enough - franchise to maybe interest kids in all the other Golden Age SEGA games. A perfectly poetic ending to the series would be Virtua Racing and Virtua Fighter. And end the collection at the point when polygons changed the art of making games. No problem...I was just kidding there. Sorry! I agree, it'd be amazing to see the Virtua games as part of the 3D project - were they the ones that ported Virtua Racing to PS2?
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Post by lanceboyle94 on Jan 6, 2014 15:33:48 GMT -5
I agree, it'd be amazing to see the Virtua games as part of the 3D project - were they the ones that ported Virtua Racing to PS2? That was before M2 stepped to do the Sega Ages games. They did port Sega Rally to PS2, though!
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