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Post by Elvin Atombender on Dec 20, 2014 11:01:46 GMT -5
I own the DS Mega Man Zero collection; all the titles are very,very challenging with the notable exception of the fourth, which is the most accessible game of the bunch but the second Zero game is a special kind of evil. The stage with the Phoenix boss (Phoenix boss included) in particular was a complete nightmare and the fact you had to get a high mission rating to get special skills added to the frustration factor. I still don't know how I managed to complete it.
As for nostalgia,while I am a 90's kid I tend to enjoy stuff regardless of its age. That said,thanks to the 80's for Depeche Mode and New Order.
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Post by r0ck3rz on Dec 20, 2014 11:37:23 GMT -5
Not so much into metal, but I can respect those who are. Even as a dyed in the wool grunge devotee, I'd still take the 80s over the 90s. Especially over the 70s. Tell me someone claiming to be into any form of rock 'n' roll didn't just underestimate the '70's. .38 Special, AC/DC, Aerosmith, Alice Cooper, The Allman Brothers Band, Bachman Turner Overdrive, Bad Company, Blue Öyster Cult, Boston, Cheap Trick, Chicago Transit Authority/Chicago, The Doobie Brothers, The Eagles, The Edgar Winter Group, Electric Light Orchestra, Foghat, Foreignor, Free, The Georgia Sattelites, Golden Earring, Grand Funk Railroad, Head East, Heart, J. Geils Band, Judas Priest, Kansas, Kiss, Led Zeppelin, Lynyrd Skynyrd, The Marshall Tucker Band, Molly Hatchet, Motörhead, Nazareth, Pink Floyd, Queen, REO Speedwagon, Ram Jam, The Ramones, Rush, Steely Dan, Steve Miller Band, Styx, Sugarloaf, Supertramp, Sweet, Todd Rundgren, UFO, Uriah Heep, Van Halen, Yes, ZZ Top, and I'm sure I've still forgotten plenty.
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Post by llj on Dec 20, 2014 13:11:37 GMT -5
Part of me wishes I was alive during the '80s (born in 1990) so I could experiences the video games and metal music (especially the underground tape-trading scene!) that was coming out when it was still new. On the other hand though, LGBT rights were really lacking back then, so I don't think I'd want to experience that first-hand. Blegh. I guess growing up in the '90s/'00s is cool, because I still get to enjoy things from before my time, as well as grow up with the internet being a prominent part of my life from an early age. To be honest, even though I lived through the 80s, I only now appreciate the unique tackiness of 80s pop culture. Within my bubble of Transformers-Voltron-Robotech-Ninja Turtles I didn't really pay attention to much else around me. I didn't care about Michael Jackson, or pay any real attention to the distinctly 80s music that was going on. I didn't watch Pee Wee's Playhouse, had no idea what MTV was, and took for granted that my family actually had free cable for much of the decade, which was a very new thing at the time. I did follow the WWF and the whole Hulkamania fad, though, so pro wrestling fans can ask me what it was like back in the day.
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Post by The Great Klaid on Dec 20, 2014 13:28:16 GMT -5
Not so much into metal, but I can respect those who are. Even as a dyed in the wool grunge devotee, I'd still take the 80s over the 90s. Especially over the 70s. Tell me someone claiming to be into any form of rock 'n' roll didn't just underestimate the '70's. .38 Special, AC/DC, Aerosmith, Alice Cooper, The Allman Brothers Band, Bachman Turner Overdrive, Bad Company, Blue Öyster Cult, Boston, Cheap Trick, Chicago Transit Authority/Chicago, The Doobie Brothers, The Eagles, The Edgar Winter Group, Electric Light Orchestra, Foghat, Foreignor, Free, The Georgia Sattelites, Golden Earring, Grand Funk Railroad, Head East, Heart, J. Geils Band, Judas Priest, Kansas, Kiss, Led Zeppelin, Lynyrd Skynyrd, The Marshall Tucker Band, Molly Hatchet, Motörhead, Nazareth, Pink Floyd, Queen, REO Speedwagon, Ram Jam, The Ramones, Rush, Steely Dan, Steve Miller Band, Styx, Sugarloaf, Supertramp, Sweet, Todd Rundgren, UFO, Uriah Heep, Van Halen, Yes, ZZ Top, and I'm sure I've still forgotten plenty. Holy hell you remembered Nazareth.
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Post by 1983parrothead on Dec 20, 2014 13:40:58 GMT -5
I first got into Mega Man with the overrated 2nd title of the series owned by a baby-sitter of mine. It was difficult for me to understand what the object of the game was, but not as difficult as how kids of today reacted to it. Then I got into the 3rd title owned by another baby-sitter and it felt even more difficult. I guess these two titles of the franchise are overrated because of how rewarding they are at playing their high difficulty plus catchy chiptune music as the finishing touch.
I prefer the Mega Man X franchise, because I played it more than the original, even when I was a kid, especially with X1 and X2. I also prefer the Rockman World (Game Boy Mega Man) series, because of how underrated it is.
Recently, I took my Shield tablet to a holiday family gathering and the kids watching me play Ikaruga for Dreamcast were kind of freaked out at the different-colored bullets. On my other side of the family, last year, with my old Nexus 10, I was playing Battle Circuit and some kids were enjoying me beat up enemies in it.
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Post by cambertian on Dec 20, 2014 15:12:05 GMT -5
Recently, I took my Shield tablet to a holiday family gathering and the kids watching me play Ikaruga for Dreamcast were kind of freaked out at the different-colored bullets. Reminds me of the time I played Earthbound Zero in front of one of my nephews. I don't think he had ever seen an RPG before - it was kind of weird trying to explain to him why it was engaging or fun. That's something I kind of miss with older games: imagination and abstraction from what you were actually doing. You weren't just pressing A to chip away numbers from an un-moving picture - you were using your sword or your magic to defeat evil, and it was awesome. Nowadays you see your character actually doing stuff, and it kind of takes away that feeling of investment in the universe. I think gamers have gotten spoiled, to be honest. When people talk about retro games, they immediately jump to Nintendo and skip over Atari. They'll only play games by developers like Nintendo or Capcom too, and anything else seems to be too archaic or too simplistic for them to admire. That's really sad to me. I think a true retro-gamer wouldn't care that much. ... Err, sorry for the tangent. That line just got me thinking, you know?
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Post by X-pert74 on Dec 20, 2014 15:29:03 GMT -5
Reminds me of the time I played Earthbound Zero in front of one of my nephews. I don't think he had ever seen an RPG before - it was kind of weird trying to explain to him why it was engaging or fun. That's something I kind of miss with older games: imagination and abstraction from what you were actually doing. You weren't just pressing A to chip away numbers from an un-moving picture - you were using your sword or your magic to defeat evil, and it was awesome. Nowadays you see your character actually doing stuff, and it kind of takes away that feeling of investment in the universe. I think gamers have gotten spoiled, to be honest. When people talk about retro games, they immediately jump to Nintendo and skip over Atari. They'll only play games by developers like Nintendo or Capcom too, and anything else seems to be too archaic or too simplistic for them to admire. That's really sad to me. I think a true retro-gamer wouldn't care that much. ... Err, sorry for the tangent. That line just got me thinking, you know? Haha; I don't know if I'd say gamers are spoiled, necessarily, but it is really common for younger gamers today who are into retro gaming to skip over Atari-era games entirely. Even some of my internet friends who are really into retro gaming, and are older than me, find Atari-era games too archaic in nature. I think they're fun, but they're really a different kind of fun from most "hardcore" games from the NES era and onward. They aren't generally the kind of games you can sink hours and hours into with the intention of finding new content to explore and partake in; they're more about replaying over and over in order to perfect your skills and get the highest score possible. Older RPGs aren't necessarily like that, but they still require a ton of investment to get into, especially if one isn't used to dealing with the lesser graphical/interface-related capabilities they have compared to RPGs of today.
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Post by The Great Klaid on Dec 20, 2014 15:33:47 GMT -5
Yeah, sure MM2 is overrated. You know that word doesn't really work on good games.
The reason most people kind of skip Atari, is because while very necessary to the evolution of gaming, Atari games feel kind of lacking now. I mean SMB is pretty simple, and it's leagues beyond say Pitfall. And really as someone who's been playing old DOS games, I can the reason I play retro is to try ideas that have been lost to the years. I can also say a lot of times, they don't make for fun games.
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Post by Terrifying on Dec 20, 2014 16:14:16 GMT -5
I used to say that "games were better back in the day".
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Post by moran on Dec 21, 2014 9:13:22 GMT -5
Tell me someone claiming to be into any form of rock 'n' roll didn't just underestimate the '70's. .38 Special, AC/DC, Aerosmith, Alice Cooper, The Allman Brothers Band, Bachman Turner Overdrive, Bad Company, Blue Öyster Cult, Boston, Cheap Trick, Chicago Transit Authority/Chicago, The Doobie Brothers, The Eagles, The Edgar Winter Group, Electric Light Orchestra, Foghat, Foreignor, Free, The Georgia Sattelites, Golden Earring, Grand Funk Railroad, Head East, Heart, J. Geils Band, Judas Priest, Kansas, Kiss, Led Zeppelin, Lynyrd Skynyrd, The Marshall Tucker Band, Molly Hatchet, Motörhead, Nazareth, Pink Floyd, Queen, REO Speedwagon, Ram Jam, The Ramones, Rush, Steely Dan, Steve Miller Band, Styx, Sugarloaf, Supertramp, Sweet, Todd Rundgren, UFO, Uriah Heep, Van Halen, Yes, ZZ Top, and I'm sure I've still forgotten plenty. Holy hell you remembered Nazareth. It was Golden Earring that got me me. Other than Radar Love what else did they do? r0ck3rz I agree with what you said. But I think some people over look some of these bands as 70s artists because they became more prominent in the 80s.
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Post by The Great Klaid on Dec 21, 2014 10:25:01 GMT -5
Twilight Zone, but that's the only other one I like.
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Post by moran on Dec 21, 2014 11:47:49 GMT -5
Oh yeah. I always forget that was them.
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Post by r0ck3rz on Dec 21, 2014 11:50:17 GMT -5
When the Lady Smiles was supposed to have been another hit. I know some of that's 1 hit wonderland, but still. Ram Jam only had Black Betty as far as I know. Speaking of bands I forgot, Clapton solo/"Derek and the Dominoes" and T. Rex(Get it on).
There's stuff that came in from the '60's obviously, but I tried making the list more about bands that started in the '70's, or started having their main hits, if not became solo artists starting in the '70's(Clapton post Cream, Rundgren post whatever he was doing in the late '60's, etc.).
I'm an '80's kid, I can still watch those goofy ass cartoons form our childhood and whatnot, but you still have to be able to recognize when certain decades did things better.
'90's: Videos games grew at the greatest pace seen so far. Plus, to me, 16-bit> the rest of video gaming. '80's: I honestly can't think of a better decade for movies. Most of the blockbuster series either began, or continued with films that were just as good, or better than their predecessors. '70's: Can't think of a better decade for TV sitcoms on the whole. Even when there wasn't anything politically incorrect(All in the Family, The Jeffersons, Sanford & Son, Maude, Good Times, Three's Company, etc.), something like "What's Happening!!" was just a straight out riot. Most of the Carol Burnett Show happened through the '70's. Mary Tyler Moore introduced Ted Knight (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0YIJQ1jgEI) to a recurring role...
Every decade was great at something.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2014 12:50:22 GMT -5
Classic rock from the 70s was fantastic, but I don't know if it's enough to warrant siding with the entire decade over the 80s.
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Post by Ike on Dec 21, 2014 13:42:56 GMT -5
Decades don't really exist, man, it's all a series of moments.
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