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Post by loempiavreter on Mar 2, 2015 20:28:11 GMT -5
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Post by Colonel Kurtz on Mar 3, 2015 5:15:17 GMT -5
*Video of Fighters Destiny (See post above!)* Thanks! But I'm completely befuddled. I appreciate the Nina/Anna design and moveset, (actually, she (he?) is an even better clone of Virtua Fighter's Sarah Bryant.), that Swiss character is dérivative but has some great moves and speed... but... She is fighting a Cow-creature. And Chocolate is Switzerland's most famous export, isn't it? I had to watch it twice to be sure the Swiss chara wasn't, in all japanese fighting game Logic, the cow. It's not, and for that, Konami, I salute you. (secrectly, I'm disappointed. Would have been so 90's Japan WTF-ery...) Don't tell me that would not have been Toblerone-level awesome. BTW, I always heard of Fighters Destiny's subpar nature, but what I See here seems pretty OK, with prett nice textures for a N64 game and good speed, so what gives?
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Post by Allie on Mar 3, 2015 7:54:49 GMT -5
Strangely enough, the developer (Genki, who would ultimately become most known for their driving games) would be tabbed to port Virtua Fighter 3 to the Dreamcast.
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Post by Colonel Kurtz on Mar 3, 2015 8:58:33 GMT -5
Strangely enough, the developer (Genki, who would ultimately become most known for their driving games) would be tabbed to port Virtua Fighter 3 to the Dreamcast. Yeah I remember that... the guys from Shutoku highway battle (which was an inexplicably addictive Dreamcast game - must have been the joy of driving around the Tokyo belt highway at night?)... Anyway their VF 3 was a joy to play, so they have a place in my heart. And if I'm not wrong, their Highway Battle series is still in good shape... (?)
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Post by Sac (a.k.a Icaras) on Mar 3, 2015 18:21:23 GMT -5
The Great KlaidI always saw chunli and guile's SF2 story lines as being that they were (both) so revenge focused they went AWOL to compete. Chunli DID fail to kill/capture M.Bison and get her revenge during the Alpha series, for example. and Charlie doesn't die until the end of alpha 3, so Guilie has no reason to give a shit about M.Bison until 2 (Guile's alpha 3 appearance was just a bonus I believe)
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Post by alphex on Mar 3, 2015 18:39:51 GMT -5
Please do not think too much about fight game storylines. You'll come across like a manchild to outsiders, and like an idiot even to pros.
Charlie dies in Alpha 1 and 2 as well. He survives in his SFA3 ending. He dies in Guiles. Guile mentions Charlie dying in Cambodia in SF2. Sakura is a schoolgirl in SFA (which takes place shortly after SF1), she still is one in SF4. Cammy is 16 in SF2 I believe. How old is she in Alpha?! 14? 13? All of the new challengers appear in SFA3.
Really, dream match-titles, multiple endings per game, all of this = reasons you should not care too much about story in fighting games. Bison was MUCH stronger in SFA3 than in SF2 (he had the Psycho Drive and all that jazz). I don't even know why (cannonically) he has a different body in SF2.
If you want to play a 2D fighter for the story, play Fatal Fury 3, though.
Plus, I agree that character designs, setting, motivation and all that matter for a fighting game. It gives the beatings a purpose. But conspiracy-theory shit and all that? Most of these games crumble under their own weight as far as that is concerned. The atmosphere and purpose of the characters are extraordinarily on the point in the best fighting games. That stuff matters. But trying to fit Japanese game developers' affection for soap opera into a genre that pretty much lacks any narrative results in stuff like Toshinden or Virtua Fighters' story.
Don't get me wrong - it's cool that SFA3 (best fighting game ever, BTW) has those little dialogues every couple of matches. It gives the characters a more defined outline. But there's no morale to be found here.
And the second best 2D fighter ever has not story at all. (Real Bout 2)
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Post by Sac (a.k.a Icaras) on Mar 3, 2015 19:41:41 GMT -5
Please do not think too much about fight game storylines. You'll come across like a manchild to outsiders, and like an idiot even to pros. What's next, your gonna go into a comic shop and tell people talking about the latest Marvel Comics crossover the same thing? or a convention and tell that too people discussing Game of Thrones Lore? Who gives a shite what outsiders would think, because we're in talking about video game lore, on a video game forum, in a thread ABOUT video game lore/storylines! (Also, by that logic, if the same "outside" then talks about something I'm not interested if they instantly become a man/womanchild themselves?)As for the pro players? Well, I find it hard to believe every single one of them doesn't care about the lore or storyline of the games they play. And even if they do consider us idiots for being interested in the lore...who cares? Nothing makes a pro player special or better than us. They're just another person that plays games, except sometimes they get paid for it. Big freaking whoop! Ultimately, you can find plot holes and nitpicks in game storylines, some of which you mentioned yourself. But really the same is true for any medium with a story, and it doesn't mean you should stop caring or wanting to see a storyline. The very fact that there are threads like this, anime and comic/manga adaptations and even series wikis shows that storylines in games (or fighting games in particular) matter because people DO care. Plus the storyline-less games don't tend to endure. It's ultimately better to have them because then those that don't care can press start to skip, those that do can watch the pre-fight dialogue
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Post by alphex on Mar 3, 2015 20:55:38 GMT -5
I think it is pretty stupid to get super invested into alternate continuities and all of that stuff for a medium that primarily serves to grant quick bursts of entertainment for teenagers, yes. It misses the point of what the medium is about, or rather, what its strengths are. Plus if you can't actually start reading a series about fantasy heroes beating each other up without having to do a shitton of read-ups on Wiki, then yes, that is pretty stupid.
And that was me talking about comics. VS fighters are created with the versus gameplay in mind. Sequels will bring back popular characters that played well. Not the ones that survived based on the in-game story.
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Post by susanismyalias on Mar 3, 2015 21:14:05 GMT -5
incoming are games art discussion
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2015 23:14:33 GMT -5
I think it is pretty stupid to get super invested into alternate continuities and all of that stuff for a medium that primarily serves to grant quick bursts of entertainment for teenagers, yes. It misses the point of what the medium is about, or rather, what its strengths are. Plus if you can't actually start reading a series about fantasy heroes beating each other up without having to do a shitton of read-ups on Wiki, then yes, that is pretty stupid. And that was me talking about comics. VS fighters are created with the versus gameplay in mind. Sequels will bring back popular characters that played well. Not the ones that survived based on the in-game story. Some people disagree with that. Instead of denigrating people for not following your school of thought, how about just saying that you like it a certain way and leave it at that?
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Post by alphex on Mar 3, 2015 23:34:23 GMT -5
I was literally asked if I felt the same way about comic books, so I see little denigration in answering that question.
Of course you are free to appreciate a good story in your fighters, play them just for the story, or to spend time with theories about multiverses. I just fail to see how that is appropriate for the medium at hand. Especially with fighters, which are not built around that aspect at all; in fact, which work just as well without it (see Real Bout 2, any dream match game). You can watch Commando looking for political insights as well - but I don't think it's feasible to expect it to be implemented in a thoughtful manner.
And of course you're free to disagree with that assessment as well, but that doesn't make my words spiteful.
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Post by Sac (a.k.a Icaras) on Mar 4, 2015 4:06:43 GMT -5
I think the thing we need to factor in here is that there is a big difference between "important to the genre" which I believe is the case (And my argument is the vary existence of topics like this, plus all the various official and fan work on the various series storylines backs me up), and "personal opinion on the nature of the storylines".
But pretty much every game, even versus fighters, has some story to it. Do alot of them suck? yes. But I think that's a topic for debate in a differant thread, ya know?
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Post by Allie on Mar 4, 2015 10:08:53 GMT -5
I think the thing we need to factor in here is that there is a big difference between "important to the genre" which I believe is the case (And my argument is the vary existence of topics like this, plus all the various official and fan work on the various series storylines backs me up), and "personal opinion on the nature of the storylines". But pretty much every game, even versus fighters, has some story to it. Do alot of them suck? yes. But I think that's a topic for debate in a differant thread, ya know? Ugh, ye gods. I hate when people start trying to shoehorn fan-fic/fan theories into storylines, even when it's a fairly unimportant storyline. Or worse still, if there's a "fan tribute" that somehow doesn't get C&D'd, people take it as a tacit acceptance of the fan-plot as canon...
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Post by Colonel Kurtz on Mar 4, 2015 16:53:21 GMT -5
I think the thing we need to factor in here is that there is a big difference between "important to the genre" which I believe is the case (And my argument is the vary existence of topics like this, plus all the various official and fan work on the various series storylines backs me up), and "personal opinion on the nature of the storylines". But pretty much every game, even versus fighters, has some story to it. Do alot of them suck? yes. But I think that's a topic for debate in a differant thread, ya know? Ugh, ye gods. I hate when people start trying to shoehorn fan-fic/fan theories into storylines, even when it's a fairly unimportant storyline. Or worse still, if there's a "fan tribute" that somehow doesn't get C&D'd, people take it as a tacit acceptance of the fan-plot as canon... ... But... I love "Fifty Shades of Guile"! It is not time-wasting fan wankery at all!
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Post by Sac (a.k.a Icaras) on Mar 4, 2015 17:49:00 GMT -5
Sorry I should have been a little clearer, I didn't intend to mean fan fiction(I defiantly DON'T have any interest in non-offical fan fiction, for any genre!), rather "work" by fans to collect official info together...such as the articles here, wiksi, books and so on.
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