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Post by chronotigger65 on May 18, 2015 12:21:48 GMT -5
First thing, lets try to keep this clean to a point.
I've noticed over the few years that Japan has been doing a lot of stuff involving what is called monstergirls. Not exactly Monster High I think but it involves female versions of monsters. Such things may not be unusual there as they have had catgirls in rpgs and anime in the past. One of most popular manga series that deals with this is Monster Musume no Iru Nichijou or Daily Life With a Monster Girl over in the US. Pretty much a harem type with a guy living with female versions of a lamia, harpy, centaur, slime, mermaid, arachne, and dullahan. There's an anime adaptation set to start in July. I've been reading the manga online and find it rather hilarious. Though I'm reluctant to watch the anime. The manga is very heavy with nude fan service and I'm pretty sure the anime with be the same. I have a thing against watching anime that's way too involved with this kind of stuff. Though I don't mind reading or watching it online just not owning physical copies of the series.
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Post by Neo Rasa on May 18, 2015 12:59:15 GMT -5
I don't think it has a thing so much as that any sort of underground fad will become a mainstream fad for a bit eventually. Like with Daily Life with a Monster Girl, it's very popular in Japan but there were always comics fetishizing it. I think part of why Japan often seems like it has a fetish for ___ thing compared to other countries is because of how conservative marketing is in Japan.
It's typical for for a lot of Japanese entertainment products to be laser focused in their appeal, the mindset being to get and keep an audience that might be small but is hooked for life and will consistently shell out money. If it makes enough $$$ then a publisher will decide the possibility is there for mass appeal and will make a grab for mainstream popularity like with Daily Life with a Monster Girl's US releases and animated adaptation beginning production at the same time. When it unexpectedly blew up in Japan it ended up getting released in the US pretty soon after. At that point a manufactured hit, each volume of it was a NYT best seller for four+ weeks as they came out here.
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Post by GamerL on May 18, 2015 15:11:57 GMT -5
Japan always invents some new fetish every couple of years, from maids to "little sisters" and now monster girls.
And monster girls is a bridge too far for me, I just don't see the appeal in that one at all.
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Post by Scylla on May 18, 2015 15:15:21 GMT -5
I think it's more a matter of that kind of stuff is getting more localizations lately, so Westerners are more aware of it. But monster people have always been popular to some degree, both in Japan and the West, and the female characters are often sexualized, as to be expected. Especially if you're talking in a harem context. Just throwing my two cents out there, but I think most harem stuff in general is shitty. It's pretty much always a bunch of girls who fall into shallow tropes/character archetypes to hit all the popular "types" that guys like (the girl next door, the tsundere, etc.), and then they inexplicably obsess over some ordinary guy to a creepy degree and fan service always results. I wouldn't say any of that has to do with monster girls specifically but just the nature of the harem genre itself. If anything, I think making the girls monsters would make it more palatable, since at least there's some unique quality about it. Personally, I can only stomach "reverse harem" stuff, as it's called (though I take issue with the term), since it tends to have more unique plot concepts and better writing.
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Post by Joseph Joestar on May 18, 2015 15:18:05 GMT -5
Japan always invents some new fetish every couple of years, from maids to "little sisters" and now monster girls. And monster girls is a bridge too far for me, I just don't see the appeal in that one at all. I just see it as an extension of the moefication of anything and everything in Japan. Not that I'm complaining, I like shit like Otomedius and SeHa Girls. As for monsters I don't see it as that bad for some reason. Then again I was a big fan of the Breath of Fire games: Dem titties.
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Post by GamerL on May 18, 2015 15:24:44 GMT -5
Japan always invents some new fetish every couple of years, from maids to "little sisters" and now monster girls. And monster girls is a bridge too far for me, I just don't see the appeal in that one at all. I just see it as an extension of the moefication of anything and everything in Japan. Not that I'm complaining, I like shit like Otomedius and SeHa Girls. As for monsters I don't see it as that bad for some reason. Then again I was a big fan of the Breath of Fire games I don't know man, I like my women to have legs, I guess I'm old fashioned that way I did like that Dusk Maiden of Amnesia anime, but in that case she was just a ghost girl, not a monster girl, I'm down with ghost girls.
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Post by Weasel on May 18, 2015 16:29:46 GMT -5
Japan have been turning almost everything into girls. Game consoles, computer operating systems, battleships, tanks, guns...this is honestly nothing new to me.
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Post by JDarkside on May 18, 2015 17:44:15 GMT -5
Don't forget Lovecraft monsters.
That was done twice, the first time involving lolis and giant robots.
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Post by Joseph Joestar on May 18, 2015 19:08:53 GMT -5
Don't forget Lovecraft monsters. That was done twice, the first time involving lolis and giant robots. I want to know if DESCO from Disgaea 4 was supposed to be a parody of Beako (the fan-made daughter of Gegege no Kitaro villain Backbeard, and enemy of all lolicon). As for moefied giant robots, Doublas M2 or GTFO.
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Post by JDarkside on May 19, 2015 5:33:23 GMT -5
Ever hear of Demonbane?
There are some really obnoxious people who will go on and on about how its the most powerful mech ever made to justify their sexual attraction to the little Narlythotep girl that powers it and that is sadly not a joke.
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Post by kaoru on May 19, 2015 5:54:28 GMT -5
Oh, I watched the Demonbane anime. Wasn't that great, but I give the original the benefit of the doubt, the games by Nitroplus and Nitro+chiral are usually pretty good. So just like with Chaos;Head, the adaption probably just sucked.
And yeah, turning stuff into cute girls is nothing new by a long shot. It's easier to fap to a gun or a console if it has T&A, or at least A in case of lolipops.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2015 6:33:31 GMT -5
Is this where I can bitch about how some doujin artists started making material for Kantai Collection instead of Touhou the moment the former became trendy, and how the American/Western anime fan community hails the doujin scene as some bastion of non-mass-market creativity when it is populated with people just as human and cool-kid-mentality-centric as anyone else with a creative bone when money or status are involved?
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Post by Joseph Joestar on May 19, 2015 7:05:34 GMT -5
Ever hear of Demonbane? There are some really obnoxious people who will go on and on about how its the most powerful mech ever made to justify their sexual attraction to the little Narlythotep girl that powers it and that is sadly not a joke. Oh man, I'd forgotten about that. Someone kept shitposting threads in 4chan's /co/ board asking "Who would win - Demonbane or Superman Thought Robot".
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Post by Scylla on May 19, 2015 12:32:11 GMT -5
If anything, doujinshi are less creative than manga. It's often used as a stepping stone for amateurs to get recognized and turn pro, so they'll pay their dues doing parodies of popular series (often pornographic at that) until a publisher picks them up and they can start their own original series. Of course, they have an editor breathing down their necks at that point saying they should or shouldn't do this or that, but still.
Don't get me wrong, I love doujinshi, and I have zero problem with parody comics or adult comics, but it's gotta be called for what it is.
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Post by Purple Moss on May 19, 2015 19:13:34 GMT -5
Is this where I can bitch about how some doujin artists started making material for Kantai Collection instead of Touhou the moment the former became trendy, and how the American/Western anime fan community hails the doujin scene as some bastion of non-mass-market creativity when it is populated with people just as human and cool-kid-mentality-centric as anyone else with a creative bone when money or status are involved? Not quite. But I agree with, like, 4/5ths of what you say. A topic for another day. Japan have been turning almost everything into girls. Game consoles, computer operating systems, battleships, tanks, guns... ...web browsers, Eva's angels, swords, aircraft...
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